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Posted By Lee Mac
Hi All,
We all have a good appreciation of what each of these are but can anyone provide defintions of
a)A Health Risk
b) A Safety Risk
Equally important is the reference point- it has to be 100% reliable.
Any help will be greatly appreciated as the ones that I have come across so far are either unreliable i.e. without source or a load of waffle.
Lee
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Posted By David Bramall
Lee Mac
What exactly are you looking for; health e.g. dust, fume, musculoskeletal, noise, vibration or safety e.g. electrocution, drowning, struck by, falling off, ... the lists are almost endless as you know.
I cant understand what waffle you have received. Safety things injure or kill you instantly, health things affect or kill you a little more slowly.
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Posted By Rachael Palmer
Lee, have a look local authority circulars section on the HSE website. Check out 67/1 Priority Planning - this may help
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Posted By Ron Hunter
deja vu - this topic has run before. Suggest a search of the Forum.
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Posted By Lee Mac
Thanks Folks,
David- I need a couple of sharp shooter definitions rather than examples for 1) a safety risk; 2) a health risk.
Ron- did the search but to no avail- I need reliable sources i.e. authors/bodies etc.
Sharon- yep the one on the study forum is a thread of mine- but unfortunatley I haven't received anything definite for each.
The sources are equally as important as the definition.
Rachel- I have attemted to use these definitions before- the defintions for health & safety hazards is fine but again the ones for risks have not really hit the nail on the head.
As I said I am looking everywhere- the net, books, handouts, but to no avail.
Thanks,
Lee
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick
I would say it should be hazard ( the specific harm that could be caused) not risk ( the probability that the harm will happen) that you want to define.
Then I would say that a safety hazard is when the harm is to the outside or the skeleton of your body and a health hazard is to the inside.
A good example of a material that can be both is acid. Spill it on your skin and you will get burns, breathe in the fumes and it effects your lungs.
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Posted By Tarquin Farquor
Lee,
What do you need the definitions for?
Regards,
TF
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Ok then, break it down?
A definition of risk is surely the easy bit.
"human health" is defined on the web by no less than WHO (Google "definition: human health")
Google "definition: Safety" and Webster's dictionary gives "The condition or state of being safe; freedom from danger or hazard; exemption from hurt, injury, or loss." -seems good enough to me?
I suggest that your composite terms could be defined and sourced with reference to the individual terms.
Surprise surprise, there will be a significant cross-over between the 2 terms!
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Posted By Lee Mac
Thanks again for the help folks,
I have no problem getting definitions for H or S hazards or controls but when it comes to the definitions for H or S risks I am coming up against a brick wall.
I like most if not all can put together a good attempt at a definition but I am beginning to wonder are there absolute definitions out there for each of these risk types.
Meantime, if anyone finds some please fell free to enlighten me.
Cheers,
Lee
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Posted By Rakesh Maharaj
Lee
Perhaps the reason that you are coming up short regarding authoratitive definitions of those terms is because they dont exist.
I advise my clients on
1) Risk to health (using the customary defintion is: the chance of a hazard causing ill health); and
2) Risk to safety, in terms of the definition - substitute the word ill health above with injury)
Just an thought!
R
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Posted By Colin Reeves
An official definition of "risk", albeit not split into "safety" or "health" can be found in the ACOP to the Management Regulations
"A risk is the liklihood of potential harmfrom the hazard being realised"
May act as an authoritative start?
Colin
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Posted By Colin Reeves
Or as an alternate:
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risk has two elements:
• the likelihood that a hazard may occur;
• the consequences of the hazardous event.
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This from the Code of Safe Working Prtactices for Merchant Seamen para 1.2.1 and can seen on
http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/coswp.pdf
Colin
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Posted By Tarquin Farquor
Lee,
For what purpose do you require the definitions for?
Regards,
TF
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Posted By A.Dennis
To me the phrase says a Health/Safety Risk is effectively the hazard itself - it does not need quantifying
So a health risk is anything with the inherent ability to impinge on an individuals health - regardless of the likelihood of that event occurring.
eg. MRSA is a health risk. Exposure levels do not necessarily emter into the equation as it is target specific i.e. it only really affects immuno-suppressed or immuno-deficient individuals.
Am i making any sense?
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Posted By Adrian Watson
'Risk' has been judicially interpreted by the Court of Appeal ruled that as far as the use of risk in the HSW Act as 'possibility of danger’. R v Science Museum [1993].
Hazard has not been judicially interpreted but HSE is of the opinion that it is 'the potential to cause harm.' Reducing Risks, Protecting People (HSE 2001).
Regards Adrian
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Posted By Aidan Toner
As Ron has pointed out 'safety definitions' has featured before and merits a search on this forum.
If our professional body -iosh -took the lead in this matter and courageously thrashed out 'working professional' definitions (being mindful of pertinent legal definitions)we all might find ourselves elaborating constructively on safety issues from an agreed common baseline.
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I'll try again then.
You wish to define what are essentially 2 COMPOSITE terms.
I postulate that ANY composite term can be defined with reference to the INDIVIDUAL terms, which are themselves already adequately defined by several referenced authorities.
Do you disagree with this Lee Mac? Please discuss.
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Posted By Lee Mac
Ron,
Agree with it all being relative, however, with the HSE being brave enough to set their definitions, I am somewhat suprised that no other body/author has developed their own definitions of each of these risks.
Thanks for the responses.
Lee
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