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Posted By Barry Cooper
Help wanted
At our company we have risk assessment forms for completing our risk assessments. For several years I have struggled and up to now, failed to get engineers to undertake risk assessments for contractors doing work on site.
At last I have convinced them (I think) that they need to do them, but they want a simple format to use.
They feel the present one is ok for repetitive tasks, but for the one-off they would like something simpler, ideally with a check list and risk evaluation system.
Has anyone a template I can use, would be much appreciated
Barry
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Posted By John A Wright
Barry,
Download the HSE pdf here:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/raindex.htm
There's a straightforward form on page 7
Get the engineers to understand risk assessment. Each situation is different and they need to ask themselves the right questions to do the assessment properly.
John W
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I confess to being slightly puzzled Barry. Surely the contractor has a significant part to play in providing his R/A and method statements for the tasks to be undertaken?
Who creates the risks?
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Posted By Kevin D Forbes
you have email
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Posted By AlB
Hi Barry.
I agree - don't allow your staff to needlessly complete risk assessments on behalf of the contractors - it is the contractors who are doing the work, they know what risks are involved with their work, they are the experts - they should be providing YOU with risk assessments.
That is unless you have some specific risks on site that are pretty unique, and you need to provide the expertise/ information to the contractor (which you should be doing anyway) based on the level of risk involved.
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Posted By John A Wright
Who creates the risks? - it's not always the contractor.
Employer and contactor must work together on risk assessments, same with Permits to Work.
Contractor may come in to repair a roof. He may have all the work-at-height-kit but the employer still has a responsibility to work with the contractor to ensure the location and job are safe.
HaSAWA s.3 clearly points to an employer's responsibility not to pose risks to the health and safety of persons not in their employment.
John W
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Posted By Barry Cooper
Hi Guys
You are all correct, the contractor does have a responsibility.
We engage contractors in two ways
1. They are requested to quote for a job, they get the job, they are then required to submit risk assessments and method statements, and we check them to ensure they are satisfactory. They do the work.
2. We employ contractors on an hourly basis, where we instruct them what to do, when to do it and how to do it, basically we control them. This is when we need to do the risk assessment, with the contractor employee.
Barry
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Posted By D H
Hi Barry - I can see this argument from both sides.
Yes - contractors should provide risk assessments and method statements at the tendering stage. These would be specific if they are doing a specific job. I have advised companies in the past that they should not be writing assessments on behalf of contractors, or sub contractors - not your job!
However, if they are on your site, at your beck and call to assist your engineers, then yes your engineers need to do the assessments and include the contractors involved in the process.
Sorry I cant assist with a template at the moment as out of office for a couple of weeks but if you don't get anything to suit give me a shout later.
Regards
D H
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Posted By Kevin Drum
Barry we always ask the contractors to give us a method statement for the work to be done and copies of any relevant risk assessments. They are the ones carying out the work so have a responsibility to assess their own risks.
We of course check the method statement and risk assessments before starting work and if they are using any of our equipment would give them copy of internal risk assessment.
Kevin
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