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#1 Posted : 02 October 2007 21:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Calogero Gattuso
Hi All,

I am a qualified & competant H & S Professional with Tech.IOSH & MIIRSM membership and NEBOSH Certificate and Diploma qualifications with over 11 years experience.

My boss has said i need to sit a H & S Test under the CSCS Scheme. To obtain a card to get me on building sites is this right? Surely with my experience and qualification do I need to do such a test to obtain a card ?? Can I just apply??

Please look forward to you comments..

Regards,

Calogero Gattuso
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#2 Posted : 03 October 2007 07:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel

the point of the test is to determin some sort of construction competence [competence in lower case!]

Noting that there are many IOSH 'Fellows' etc who have not set foot on a construction site in many years if at all so some sort of test is required
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#3 Posted : 03 October 2007 08:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ghaam
You will need to sit the test like the rest of us

Should take you abour 2mins and 30sec.

Don't look at it as a competency this look at it like a competition to see how quickly you can answere all of the questions

Any offers better than 2min28s post them here
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#4 Posted : 03 October 2007 08:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By safety medic
Many of the Major Construction Group companies have signed up to 100% CSCS compliance. I like many others have sat the test but also used the NVQ as transferable skill, CSCS being based on the NVQ scheme, to gain Management category.

I understand IOSH have been in discussion with the CITB to determine entry criteria into managers category for health and safety professionals who dont have the NVQ/dont need the NVQ although I haven't seen the outcome. (perhaps someone can enlighten?)

I know of two educated and well experienced health and safety managers who failed at the first attempt!
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#5 Posted : 03 October 2007 09:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
I am afraid that the H&S test is manadatory even for Fellows who have been active on sites for 25+ years.

Perish the thought that the scheme is designed to ensure a cash flow for some sort of organisation. Just go for the visitors card if I were you and only use it when needed. Personally I think its day will ultimately go and we will have a sensible method of assessing the H&S development of operatives and site staff.

resignedly

Bob
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#6 Posted : 03 October 2007 12:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve
I have recently gone through the wringer trying to get my card renewed.
They prmoise me that having passed the 'test', paid the fee and sorted the paperwork out that I will have a Platinum card within 7 days.
If this actually transpires I will eat one of my own limbs.
I'll keep you posted.
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#7 Posted : 03 October 2007 13:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michael Battman
I hate to worry you Steve, but mine was returned in that timescale.
Have you ever tried arm and chips?
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#8 Posted : 08 October 2007 11:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Child
I have just had my application returned telling me I am not qualified in the eyes of the CSCS moguls. I have the Nebosh Certificate in Construction Safety and Health, 5hrs of exams (I know most of you know that)I am Tech IOSH and still not able (good enough) for a CSCS card I have been involved in H&S since 1993 can anyone please tell me what card I am qualified for. I am sure I will have my bus pass before my CSCS.
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#9 Posted : 08 October 2007 12:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tim S
In response to all of the above. We too are going thro' same scenario. It appears that since the new CDM Reg's came into being in April all construction require ALL visitors have CSCS cards or equivalent to satisfy the "competency" criteria. We now have a large number of service engineers, sales managers etc to get thro'.

I wanted to put all our people thro' the CSNG safety passport course (bearing in mind that our Secretary score 87% on a mock H&S test) but guess what this is no longer recognised. You can now get a professional H&S card, but you have to be CMIOSH.

I have a feeling that in the very near future the H&S content of this card will be shown to fall well short and we will all have to go thro' a re-registration period.
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#10 Posted : 08 October 2007 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kenny McGillivray
Hi

Agree with Ghaam, take the challenge of how quick you can do the test. be careful though I'm ashamed to admit I got one wrong!!

Kenny
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#11 Posted : 08 October 2007 12:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Les Welling
Yep afraid that that is correct. I was in the same boat as you and I had to do it. It is very easy though. You will need to go on line and arrange a test at your neareast CSCS place of testing. At the moment there are no exemptions, however, I understand that this is being looked at.

Ps a monkey could pass the exam!
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#12 Posted : 08 October 2007 12:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker
I drove 19 miles
parked the car
Went in did the stuff, waited for Certificate to be printed out.
Drove back to work
All in less than an hour :-)))

I believe you are allowed 45 mins to do the test :-0
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#13 Posted : 08 October 2007 18:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Altoft
I had to renew my card and took the test last Friday. I am CMIOSH with 35 years construction experience and for the sake of those who face the risks day in day out I support anything that pushes up safety performance by even the slightest amount. As I was waiting one guy said he thought it was all nonsense as he knew all he needed to know about safety. His mate came right back at him and said "but does the guy working above you, or putting up your scaffold or managing the site" And that is surely why CSCS (warts and all) should matter to us professionals - because the lads and lasses out there might just get something out of it.
R (CMIOSH and CSCS qualified)
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#14 Posted : 08 October 2007 20:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By paul sykes
well just looked on the site i can get the following cards
a platinum as a Communications Technology Manager
a gold for Communications Installer Team Leader
a blue for being a time sertved leckie
and the lowest a trainee red card for being
TechIOSH
the job i wish to do as i am sick of electrics electronics and communications

so do i put in for my platinum card or the red one (confused)
dont need my cards till early next year as i dont take my NEBOSH Cons till then but i think there is to many types of card and are you looked down on if you have a red one?

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#15 Posted : 08 October 2007 21:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Calogero Gattuso
Dear All,

Taken the CSCS test and passed. However not sure if I have gained any extra knowledge....or competance.......

Regards,

Calogero Gattuso MIIRSM Tech IOSH AMIEE CSCS

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#16 Posted : 09 October 2007 08:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michael Battman
I agree with everything that Richard Altoft said about 3-posts previously.

People who complain about CSCS cards are missing the point. Prior to their introduction an operative on a construction site could have been selling deckchairs on Newquay beach the day before (That actually happened on a site I visited), now hopefully thay have some understanding about the dangers of site work.
It is a base level test of personal safety.

As for professionals who complain about having to sit this 'easy' test, stop complaining, sit the test and set an example.
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#17 Posted : 09 October 2007 14:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By DaveTripp
If you are considering getting a safety advisers card from CSCS you will be disappointed to know CSCS do not recognise NEBOSH general certification at the moment even though this is equivalent to an NVQ 3, their excuse is they don't recognise NEBOSH as an NVQ trainer/qualification, NEBOSH are in the process (or so they tell me)of sorting this out with CSCS but it could take a couple of years....
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#18 Posted : 09 October 2007 15:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Child
Following my comments yesterday 08/10/07 @ 11.41
I have no problem with the fact that I have had to take the CSCS test the concept is a great idea, as one of you said who knows what the other guy's knowledge is that you work with, at least it gives a base. What I have problems with I was advised to go for the particular level of test by a member of the help desk and once I applied I was then told I don't have the qualifications required "it isn't an NVQ", so here I go down the NVQ 4 route for GradIOSH then two years for CMIOSH.
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