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#1 Posted : 05 October 2007 12:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Schui
Could somebody please tell me what the difference between the three job titles are

and where somebody with the following experience fits, with 3 years hands on experience implementing OHSAS 18001 and ISO 14001

Cert in OH&S
Nebosh Diploma in OH&S
IEMA environmental lead auditor
OHSAS 18001 lead auditor
Accident investigator
training provider in Fire safety, Fire marshal, manual handling, training for safety committee and Reps, legislation, Ergonomics, Grinder and Abrasive wheels training etc.

your taught s would be very much appreciated
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#2 Posted : 05 October 2007 12:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bannister
Hi Schui, there have been several threads on this forum on a similar theme, try:
http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...iew&forum=1&thread=24644

In short, I believe that the actual job title is much less relevant than what needs to be done, what the job entails, how it is performed, development opportunities, accountability, responsibility, authority, rewards etc. Put all this together with a motivated achiever and you can call yourself whatever you like.

A manager manages, an officer commands, a co-ordinator co-ordinates. In a very large organisation there may be room for all of these functions; a smaller employer may expect one person to do it all plus other duties too.

A health and safety practitioner just does it!
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#3 Posted : 05 October 2007 13:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Schui
We had a salary survey here at work and the problem is we have a HR person that doesn't understand all of that and she reckons I am a safety officer (only because it is lower paid I guess)
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#4 Posted : 05 October 2007 14:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bannister
Aaah. If she cleans up managers' personnel errors does that make her a cleaner then?

Titles are still nonsense. It's the job you do.
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#5 Posted : 05 October 2007 14:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Schui
yeah but you still have to get paid the proper rate no suppose you'd work for nothing
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#6 Posted : 05 October 2007 15:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bannister
Schui, you perhaps misunderstand. My comments are meant to provide ammo for you to seek appropriate payment for the work, not the title.

I have done voluntary work and will do again. However, for my everyday paid work I demand a fair reward. I believe that my services are worth a good fee and charge accordingly - market forces dictate certain concessions from time to time but the till keeps occasionally ringing.
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#7 Posted : 08 October 2007 15:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Schui
David my apologies yes I did pick you up wrong as you can probably gather this is a very frustrating issue with me at the moment

as there is no definite explanations of each role it is very hard to reach an agreement with HR

I couldn't care less what I was called if only I got the rewards that I earn
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#8 Posted : 08 October 2007 16:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Some one with those qualifications is normally a 'Consultant' ever thought to do that.

Its all in the name Schui depends on what your company wants to give you.
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#9 Posted : 08 October 2007 20:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Nicholls
Schui With your qualifications you should be telling THEM what to pay you.

Job titles mean nothing. Qualifications and experience are what you need to do the work not a fancy title.

Regards Alan N (Humble SHP)
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#10 Posted : 09 October 2007 08:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Negotiate a meeting with your HR person, having prepared what you feel is a full but accurate personal job description.

Go through all of the tasks and responsibilities that your daily job entails and then discuss what the role should be called as well as a suitable and fair salary rate for doing what you do.

You need to make sure that the HR person understands the control of your site safety systems, reporting both on and off site to managers and workers, liaison with any insurance brokers, HSE, Environment agencies, local councils if applicable etc.

Put down the lot, it's your time to make yourself important enough to get that rise or rehashing of your current salary. Think of it as a peer interview and sell yourself !

Bring is some external job adverts and equate what you do to the salary scales offered for other jobs - pick the high salaries, of course !

Research first , then badger and bargain - make them aware of what you think you are worth to them !
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