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#1 Posted : 08 October 2007 17:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason911 Can anyone tell me whether or not fire exit delay doors in retail areas are permitted under the new fire regs within retail environments, and if so whether this means that we would have to retro fit them to all existing premises? Cheers Jay
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#2 Posted : 08 October 2007 18:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By pluto Jason, Do you want the 1. Chief fire officers' response 2. BS 7273 Part 4 response 3. Approved document B (Blg regs) response 4. Fire Safety Order guidance documents response They are all subtly different. !. allows them sometimes, 2. allows them on non critical paths, 3. doesn't allow them and 4. allows them only after a thorough risk assessment. Best bet is to fit delays only where the is no other way of dealing with the security/theft risk. (In my opinion...almost never)
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#3 Posted : 08 October 2007 20:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer Forgive me for sounding dull but what the hell are fire exit delay doors? My understanding is a fire exit must give free and easy egress from a building. If you have a delay in the exit how on earth can it be a fire exit? How do you meet the numbers bit? Please let me know this one interests me.
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#4 Posted : 09 October 2007 06:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By pluto Bob, I think Jason is asking about time delays fitted to the electronic securing devices on some fire exits. Many exits, including fire exits have some form of additional electo - magnetic securing device in addition to the push bar/pad that you will be familiar with. They are invariably fitted as a security measure, often in the largest retail outlets to stop jonny thief running out and escaping with a bottle of malt whiskey. On operating the push bar the door will not open for anything from 10 to 60 seconds, (as long as the retailer can get away with) until the electro - magnet deengergises. There are lots of safety features, most of which make the rationalle behind the locks rather non-sensical. But hey...you started risk assessment!
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#5 Posted : 09 October 2007 12:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason911 Pluto is correct. The delay doors are typical to large retail (warehouse) type environments which are fitted with a 15 second delay before the door is allowed to open once the push bar has been activated. These are an anti theft device for large stores to prevent customers taking high value goods to the furthermost reaches of the store and then stealing them by activating a push bar fire exit and making their escape. However this delay is overridden and becomes obsolete in the event of a fire alarm being activated. The 15 second delay is only activated when someone only operates the pushbar of the fire exit to get out. We had a fire inspector claim that this was now not allowed under the new fire regs.
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