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#1 Posted : 10 October 2007 07:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob Forrestall Hello We use in excess of 200 chains at our engineering plant. They are thoroughly examined yearly by Royal Sun Alliance. Any defective chains during the examination are withdrawn as they are through the daily operators checks, we send them away for repair/replacement to a specialist company. The time and cost is a burden. Does anyone know if our on-site Mechanical Engineer- apprentice trained 20 yrs ago- would be competent to replace defective chain link, shackles and hooks/catches without having to out source? This would save considerable time and potentially cost. The engineer states during his apprenticeship he worked in a chain sling shop at British Rail where these replacements tasks were performed. If yes what testing would need to be performed if any before being re-introduced into the works. On a like for like replacement would the existing test cert be valid until the next thorough examination, or does the chain sling need to be load tested and recertified no matter what?
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#2 Posted : 10 October 2007 09:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs "They are thoroughly examined yearly by Royal Sun Alliance." This is your starting point - talk to your insurers as to what they are willing to underwrite. "Does anyone know if our on-site Mechanical Engineer- apprentice trained 20 yrs ago- would be competent to replace defective chain link, shackles and hooks/catches without having to out source?" Unless he has used these skills almost continuously, I would suggest retraining and assessment of skills are required. "If yes what testing would need to be performed if any before being re-introduced into the works." Full load tests, and visual inspections, as per appropriate BS - preferably by someone else, not the person conducting the repairs. "On a like for like replacement would the existing test cert be valid until the next thorough examination, or does the chain sling need to be load tested and re-certified no matter what?" It is never going to be "like for like" if a component is replaced or repaired ... I would suggest it must be retested and re-certified, but the appropriate BS should tell you more. Someone needs to do a thorough bit of thinking and process control design, but there is nothing I know of to stop you doing it. You should look at getting a serious quality standard behind it all too - process controls are the key and must be absolutely incorruptible.
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#3 Posted : 10 October 2007 13:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By david cairns Hi Rob Loyds testing ran a course for us, first class training, and our insurance company was also impressed. We still use a 3rd party for testing our equipment used on sites, but our in house engineer can now carry out 6 monthly checks and issue a certificate to cover the chains, slings etc. An extra part of the course covers repairs. I have included full contact details for lloyds in case Anthony Smith Telesales Advisor - Lloyds British Testing Ltd Tel: 0870 197 5575 www.lloydsbritishtraining.com
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#4 Posted : 17 October 2007 12:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob Forrestall Thanks to all who replied to this thread. Will have a look into the training information provided. Rob
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