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#1 Posted : 12 October 2007 09:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By B Smart Due to go offshore in Nigeria soon, does anyone with Nigerian experience know where I can get information on Nigerian Safety Legislation or Guidance on the Net? B Smart
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#2 Posted : 12 October 2007 10:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Watson B Smart Nigeria is a very dangerous place to work currently. Whilst we consider work in that area you need to make sure that the security your employer engages is absolutely watertight, secure compounds, escorted too and from airports etc. Kidnappings are rife. Please be careful and good luck. Regards John
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#3 Posted : 12 October 2007 10:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glen Coe Good Luck ! In my experience of Nigeria, they have little that would compare to EU Legislation. KLM used to fly into Lagos on old DC10's because they did not want to risk expensive aircraft. Internal flights are secondhand soviet airliners (Tupolev's with safety signs still in russian or German)or european antiques with star trek mileage. Most of the cars on the streets are european MOT failures. My advice is stick to UK legislation and you will be way ahead of local requirements and enjoy the adventure but do not make it a long term career move. I recall I had to buy my luggage back 3 times, before I got outside Lagos Airport. Cheers GC
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#4 Posted : 12 October 2007 12:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By johnny Hello, I am also going to Nigeria in a few weeks to review both our security and H&S management. Who are you working for out there and what project?
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#5 Posted : 12 October 2007 13:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob T Hi, I've been back and forth to Lagos and Port Harcourt over the last few months so am pretty up to date if I can help. As far as the law is concerned it is generally based on the UK Factories Act 1961 but with a few changes after independance. If you follow that and the spirit of UK law now you shouldn't go far wrong. If you are going off-shore do let me know as I have at least 4 projects in the Delta region. I can give you a brief security run down. Do have a look at the British, US, Ozzie, Kiwi and Canadian government travel sites for a generic state of affairs as far as their governments are concerned - they may have implications as to your insurance standings depending on your nationality. I'd avoid Port Harcourt at the moment if I were you! Just a quick note on the airlines internally - they are not anything like as bad as has been made out above - if you use Arik, Virgin or Aero contractors between Lagos and PH, they are pretty reasonable. The Virgin planes are pretty new. Cheers Rob
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#6 Posted : 12 October 2007 13:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By johnny Hi Rob, Thanks for all the info. I also have to review our currnet security measures. To be honest i dont think we have anything in place apart from a few locals who pick us up from the airports and escort us from site to office etc. If you have any info on security management for Nigeria - main risks, controls etc or what your company have that would be great as im not too sure where to start. I am not going offshore as we only supply the engineers but obviously i want to implement a great security/H&S Management system. All your help is greatly appreeciated. Thanks
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#7 Posted : 12 October 2007 13:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Hi Rob. You are more upbeat than the US Government when it comes to internal travel in Nigeria. See http://travel.state.gov/...cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_928.html Regards, Peter
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#8 Posted : 12 October 2007 14:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By RBW100 Johnny, I worked in nigeria for around 6 month, but it was back in 2002. I was not working for the oil compaines by was a project engineer for PZ Cussons (the imperial leather soap people) who have a large presence in Nigeria. I was based in Ikorodu, about an hours drive from lagos. PZ's approach was to avoid the use of armed guards. Most weekends we went into Lagos in the late afternoon and arrived back at the compound (in Ikorodu) in the early hours. We used oldish peugeots with local drivers, but had no security with us. We sometimes went in groups of up to 6 other times I went on my own. It was the view of most expats at the time that the best approach to security was on of keep a low profile. This was in direct contrast to the Americans, who drove around in massive 4x4's with armed guards. I guess the fact I didn't work in oil was a bonus too. As for factory/site safety the standard was poor when compared with UK operations. Factories act 1961 sounds about right. Enjoy you stay
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#9 Posted : 12 October 2007 14:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Hi, I know nothing about the situation in Nigeria but just wonder if those who do could give a brief risk assessment of the general risks involved and would this come out as a high risk? Thanks.
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#10 Posted : 12 October 2007 15:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By David McGuire Have emailed you some travel advice for Nigeria
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#11 Posted : 15 October 2007 10:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By B Smart Thanks to everyone who has responded. I am not too worried about the security situation as my employer has a good security set up and we have been well briefed. Johnny, I'm working for Noble Drilling and going offshore to the Percy Johns, flying from Paris, but not too sure when. Thanks for the help Glen and Rob T regarding legislation, luckily my employers have rigs all over the world so a couple of years in Nigeria and maybe reassess where I want to work after that. Cheers for the link Peter, some food for thought, I'll let you know how I get on with my kidnappers should the unthinkable happen. Crim, for a list of the risks and some control measures check out the link Peter suggested. I guess it is a high risk activity, but..... B. Smart
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#12 Posted : 02 January 2008 21:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By stella HI B Smart, Just read ur mail and i hope u get to read this. I presume that u have started work in Nigeria. I am a nigerian and currently studying for an msc in occupational health and safety at the University of wales institute cardiff (uwic). Presently, i am working on my dissertation which is " the critical analysis of offshore safety regulations in the nigerian oil and gas industry ". Currently, i am back in Nigeria to collect relevant data as well as job hunt. will be glad if u could provide me with relevant and helpful info. will be glad if u cld be of help on both counts. Thanks, Bimbo
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#13 Posted : 03 January 2008 15:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap Guess what. Nigeria is the kind of place i would consider working. Its sounds exciting. I went there last year to visit some friends. I thought it was very interesting
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#14 Posted : 07 January 2008 07:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Emamode Glen, Its suprising how people like you would run a country that has provided jobs for millions of UK & US citizens so down. Let us for once been sincere, the aircraft used for local travels are not what you described. They are pretty new aircrafts operated by companies with technical partners from UK & US. The incident of kidnaping is not as rife as it is described here. Except for Port Harcourt and perhaps Bayelsa, all other states in Nigeria are safe. Experts move freely without the slightest fear. A British colleague who joined our company recently from the UK was shocked at the relative peace in the Delta compared with the hype in the news back home in the UK. I am sure that if Nigeria is so dangerous as is being discribed here, legions of expats will not be trooping into the country daily in search of jobs. Regards, Don
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#15 Posted : 07 January 2008 08:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Les Welling Hi. My son-in-law worked out there for some considerable time. I understand he had no problems. He is a commercial diver. The only real problem he had was trying to get paid and indeed is still waiting for that to this day! He has not worked out there since 2006 though, mainly because of the pay thing. However, he did tell me that he was appalled at the lack of H&S and would not go back because of that in any event. Don't know what company he worked for.
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#16 Posted : 07 January 2008 08:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Les Welling Sorry. Should have said he had no problems with security.
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#17 Posted : 07 January 2008 09:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By oluwole, thompson, olugbenga As professionals we have to be very careful on how we passed wrong informations. The way Nigeria is being descriped is like one terrible place, but to the contrary is the best country to work in compared with anyplace in the world today. For the safety legislation we have what we call the Nigeria Factories Act, which is use by all companies including the Oil and Gas companies and is updated regularly. There are bodies set up by the Government to see to the implementations e.g Department of Petroleum(DPR) monitors the Oil and Gas Companies acts. For the Flights unlike what someone said that they are old flights, we have e.g Aero Contractors(Canadian)that operate new flights sea planes and choppers to even oil/gas locations offshore,internal flights are operated by alot of credible coy such as Arik Air, Virgin Airline to name a few. For the kidnapping stuff in Oil Locations, is not as terrible as is being painted, the youths that started this are presently on the run and the Law enforcement agents are in control.We have alot of expats presently working in Nigeria, my colleague is even a Scottish who is on a cross posting to Nigeria. He arrived in November and he was suprise by the kind of calmness that is in Portharcourt compared with what the international news is carrying about this place. So Mr Smart I want you to feel free to come here at anytime and work and I bet you, you will not regret it.
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#18 Posted : 07 January 2008 11:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob T There is some extremely dangerous and negligent information now coming on this chat room!!! Port Harcourt is NOT safe by any means. 240 people were kidnapped in the general Delta area last year and more than 40 people were killed. Piracy has increased particularly around Bonny and expat travel on the Bonny river has been banned by not only the reputable companies but also because insurance cover has been pulled! I am absolutely appalled by the suggestions that these areas are safe. Take a look at the travel websites of these Governments, UK, USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, France and Holland and then ask yourselves why they ALL say that the Delta, both on and off-shore are "no-go" at the moment. I come from the Millwall/New Cross/Deptford area of South London but I wouldn't hesitate to say keep away from some of these areas particularly at night if you're not a local. Just because you come from a particular place don't give potentially lethal advice to others because of some form of perceived affront to your nationhood! And yes I am going back to Port Harcourt tomorrow - to a reasonably secure expat camp that is running at 15% capacity due to almost every expat leaving the area over the last 6 months. Any travel outside the camp is in 3 car convoys (low key) but with fully armed police (MoPols) in the front and rear. I (personal view - not a recommendation) am still happy to use the three internal airlines that I earlier mentioned though.
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#19 Posted : 07 January 2008 13:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Emamode Let us not over discuss this Nigeria Delta issue. There is no place in the world that is safe absolutely. Otherwise, one could be tempted to say that neither the UK nor the US is safe considering the several incidents of multiple killings in public places, especially in schools and clubs. What about serial killings? The truth is that personal security is very essential wherever you find yourself. In no way do I suggest to say that the Delta is safe especially Port Harcourt and Beyelsa. However, the entire scenario has been over exaggated, otherwise Rob & Glen I dare challenge you that you wont stake your necks/lives for money. It all means that you've made a risk evaluation and found that the level of security risk in the Delta is acceptable, although high. Don
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#20 Posted : 07 January 2008 13:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By oluwole, thompson, olugbenga Well I beleive if is as bad as you described it, you won't be coming back to Portharcourt tomorrow. All you are trying to do is prevent other people from coming here whilst you are doing your good business here. Compared with any place I still emphasized that this place is the best place to work in. We still have alot of foreign workers coming in here and their lives are secured. I work in a reputable Oil company here in Portharcourt and I know what am saying, there is no country that doesn't have is own ills. All I will advise is while you are here live responsibly and mind your business and it shall be well with you.
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#21 Posted : 07 January 2008 14:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob T Hi, yes of course I'm still going tomorrow, that's part of my job to deal with security. I have both overt (local media, governmental sites, staff on the ground etc.) and covert intelligence gathering systems in place which of course I'm not going to go into here, and they don't paint a pretty picture. Just have a look at what happened as soon as the curfew was lifted - 2 police stations attacked, one checkpoint and the Presidential Palace hotel (January 1st) - 18 people dead! Your own JTF have said that the area is extremely dangerous. One of the main reasons that kidnapping of expats has become less than a year ago is the fact that most expats have left. All I'm saying is it is irresponsible to say that the Delta region is safe - that suggests that you can travel at leisure without security provisions. I've worked in Iraq and Afghanistan in many areas and at this point in time, Port Harcourt travel is on a par with some of those areas. I'm not saying that people can't go there, just that you need a serious level of security upgrade to curb the risks. best regards Rob
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#22 Posted : 16 January 2008 15:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ogo A Information about the oil and gas legislations in nigeria can be found on the department of petroleum resources website http://www.dprnigeria.com/home.html some very useful information and contact also from the Nigerian Safety professional body on http://www.nispnigeria.com/ Environment related information from Federal Protection Environment Agency Act (follow this link) http://www.nigeria-law.o...20Protection%20Agency%20(Amendment)%20Decree%20No.%2059%201992.htm I hope this helps.
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