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#1 Posted : 13 October 2007 08:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Taylor Following a improvement in the profile of accident reporting we have 'discovered' a high level of hand cuts from handling cardboard in wrapping components ~ 2 per week. In response we are trialling some gloves - task needs a good degree of dexterity so gloves need to allow normal duties to be carried out. My question is what is the worst foreseeable accident from cardboard cuts? Clearly if using knives, handling glass, handling steel sheet one might expect a risk of deep lacerations and tendon/nerve damage. Does anybody have experience of cardboard or paper cuts being anything more serious than just that - a cut. thanks Martin
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#2 Posted : 13 October 2007 09:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham The problem with cardboard and paper cuts is that in my experience they tend to be slow to heal. The reason for this is not entirely clear, but this can cause practical problems for those working with this type of material. I have had success in preventing these with the use of gloves made of Dyneema. This is a synthetic yarn that has reasonably good performance in a knitted glove in preventing such cuts. You can get these gloves with a thin polyurethan coating on just the fingertips. This gives the grip (dexterity) required in handling paper and cardboard without the problem of occlusion from rubber, vinyl or nitrile gloves. My experience is also that workers tend to like wearing these gloves as they also prevent the hands from becoming soiled. Another benefit is that they prevent the skin on the hands from drying out due to the carboard or paper absorbing the natural oils and moisture from the skin. Chris
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#3 Posted : 13 October 2007 19:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By LMR Paper cut to finger. Cut wrapped in fuse tape (wrong thing to do but only thing in the cab at the time!!!!) effective and inventive . . . however . . . blood poisoning and hospitalisation ANY cut not looked at and cleaned has the potential to turn nasty.
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#4 Posted : 13 October 2007 20:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Taylor thanks all the guys have recognised that they now need to report the accidents and get first aid so the blood poisening issue may be less of a problem now. the main question is "is the risk seriousness to warrent mandatory glove wearing or is it more reasonable to make them optional?" thanks again Martin
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#5 Posted : 14 October 2007 18:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Martin Try providing the type of glove I suggested on the basis that this is being done for your workers' benefit and see what acceptance you get. My experience is that once the users realise that these are quite comfortable to wear and avoid the cuts then they will tend to wear them. Chris
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#6 Posted : 14 October 2007 19:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barry Cooper Martin All the above points are valid. We have a similar problem in our paper mills, and have found that the cuts do take a long time to heal and are usually quite painful, but we have had no other problems due to the cuts. Many gloves offer level 5 cut resistance, but operatives find they lose dexterity. For paper cuts level 2 or 3 cut resistance should be adequate, unless handling knives, then go for level 5 There are many level 5 gloves on the market, and suppliers are only to eager to provide free samples. Barry
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#7 Posted : 15 October 2007 05:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Taff2 From my understanding you can only get paper cuts from poor quality paper - or paper cut in a poor / cheap manner. Have you looked at eliminating the hazard at source?
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#8 Posted : 15 October 2007 08:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By stevehaigh Poor handling and storage has in the past lked to facial lacerations plus cuts to the eyes. In my experience the quality of the paper is of no relevance.. but the paper can be razor sharp and a paper cut on top of a paper cut is extremely painful ... insist on gloves!
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#9 Posted : 15 October 2007 14:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Darby There are a vast array of gloves on the market to allow dexteriry to be maintained, however I would strongly urge you to avoid going down the route that a small cut may become infected, your employee will get blood poisoning and die. A paper cut is not a fatal risk, I feel most RA's should show it as a probable risk of a minor injury. If you were handling cow manure that would affect the risk of infection, but you are not. In my company (a division of an extremely large and very well known organisation), we have identified paper cuts as very low risk, requiring no further action. The reason for this is that we face far more serious risk than this, hence in getting our priorities right, we have decided it is not on the radar at the moment. I would prefer our managers efforts to be focused in other directions. I hope that one day it reaches the top of the list, but I don't think it ever will! I am not suggesting that is the view you should take, as clearly you are receiving more notable injuries from a specific process, not general office work. However I feel that for most locations, by the time you are worrying about paper cuts your general safety management should be excellent.
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#10 Posted : 15 October 2007 15:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Paul All things are relative. If you work in an office, then paper cuts will almost certainly be a miminal problem. However, having done risk assessment on skin issues in several paper mills, I can assure you that for several of the activities there they can be a recurring, frequent and annoying problem that can actually cause a surprising amoung of lost productive time whilst the cut is being dealt with. As far as the infection risk is concerned, as you say, this will depend upon the environment. In a paper mill unlikely to be a major issue. Penetration of chemicals, however, through the cut could be a significant risk. Chris
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#11 Posted : 15 October 2007 15:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Darby I agree totally. My response was generally aimed at the issue of avoiding everything becoming a fatal risk, because if you persued every hazard being realised to its full potential then everything has the ultimate possibility of becoming a fatal risk, which is very poor safety management. As a very senior guy within the HSE once taught me, "In risk assessment focus on what is probable, not possible, as some very extreme things are possible!" He summed it up by asking if I had risk assessed the chance of my building collapsing without warning. I said no, to which he replied that is a good example of something which does happen, so it is possible, but is so rare that it is really not probable, hence to get the priorities right.
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#12 Posted : 15 October 2007 16:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Thompson CMIOSH Try using roller cut paper as opposed to guillotined. It is slightly dearer but will not cut fingers etc saves on gloves follows hierarchy of controls.no blood on the packageing happier customer. Bob
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