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Posted By Zayed Sayyadi
Hello there.
I'm and Health & Safety Regional Coordinator, and currently Finishing my Safety Engineering Diploma.
However...studying on of the elements of Accidents Prevention, we studied the (Foreseeable & Unforeseeable Accidents Theory) by the end of the session I come to understand & Believe in a very Important point, which is that Foreseeable Accidents actually shouldn't be called or treated as and Accidents, it should be dealt with as (Foreseeable Loss Event).
Meaning to say, Instead of Reporting ACCIDENTS as the regular way, Report them under the name (Foreseeable Loss Event Report) it pretty much have the same data in there, but for the management to READ this line in the head of the report, they will start asking, if its foreseeable then why it wasn't prevented> and that will give a hell of support to the HSE System Implementation in the Company and the HSE Personal as well.
I am planning to start the Implementation in my company next week after our Safety Manager Approval...but I would to Hear what you think, will it work as I think, or...?
Cheers
Zayed.
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Posted By Ali
Before you start tinkering around with terminology also remember that the Enforcement agencies also use them ! Why not discuss it with them first ?
Ali
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Posted By Ian G Hutchings
Zayed
Even if something could be reasonably construed as foreseeable, you may be on sticky liability ground if it is so clearly stated.
There is the old argument which states if you dig deep enough you can argue that all accidents are preventable and therefore must be foreseeable.
If I was in a director's/manager's shoes I would be concerned about any incident. Perhaps you could focus more on what the potential could have been, rather than whether it was foreseeable, as many people will start arguing the toss about the foreseeability, rather than the ways to prevent is happening again.
Interested to hear other peoples views on this?
Best wishes
Ian
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Posted By Zayed Sayyadi
Hello.
thanks guys for taking the time to read and respond to the subject.
Just Highlighting few Items: -
I work in Africa, in company that has a very good Health & Safety System in place, but not Implemented...the reason is Lack of Management Support> not to blame, but to find a way to wake them up, in 2007 we had 2 Vehicle Accidents, and the root causes for the accidents was raised to the top management for action, but the problem is they keep on looking at the report, archive it, and finished...because of the very good income of the company, and the lack of low enforcement in the country and the country traditions, they Believe so much that its God Will for this Accident to happen...as many courses and educational meetings we could have, it couldn't work with our management, that's why recently I come up with LOSS PREVENTION TEAM Implementation in the company as to get all the supervisors and upper Management involved in the process of Accident Prevention or Loss Prevention>
that's why I like to Implement what came above. I want to make sure that when they read the report, they will pay more attention because it Human lives and Money out of the Company profits, we will continue with our Pro-Active Measures but as part of the system, Maybe it will work out...Hopefully.
Cheers
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Zayed
There are many different uses of terminology in accident aetiology. I would not to get hung up on semantics. I find it more useful to use a language that everyone understands and leave the esoterics to the purists.
With regards to the foreseeability of accidents, this is another subjective and contentious debate. Some observers believe accidents and disasters are indeed foreseeable and therefore implying preventable. Whilst others (eg Wildavsky) believe they are only foreseeable with the benefit of hindsight.
I have no doubt you have covered 'active and latent failures.' The notion that you can easily identify dormant pathogens, aka Reason's Swiss cheese model, is an interesting theory, but once again subject to the hindsight rule. In practice these dividing lines are constrained by fuzzy logic.
Enough academics for one day - good luck with your quest.
Ray
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