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Posted By tomahawk We are just embarking on (again) DSE assessments for all our staff and I wonder can anyone explain why none of the old fashioned typists I know ever experienced any form of medical problems. This is inspite of the fact that they typed at speed all day long, had to hit seven bells out of the keys and often had several sheets of carbon paper to make an impact on.
Is it that the medical problems weren't recognised then or that the sheer numbers of people now mean that more are likely to be affected. maybe they were trained better in correct posture etc - anyone any thoughts or experiences to prove me wrong ?
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Posted By Tabs 1982. Office of 40 Engineers, one secretary.
2007. Office of 40 Engineers, one "office manager" (who tells us to do our own (bleep) typing!).
Result? 40-fold increase in opportunity, possibly more as none of us have been taught to touch type, and our chairs are far more flexible in set-up (therefore increase likelihood of incorrect setup).
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Posted By Lilian McCartney style of keyboard, quicker use of keys, more use as don't stop to change paper, ribbon, carriage return, non-recognising of possible problems???
At school we had a teacher who smacked your hand with a ruler if you didn't sit 'straight' when typing. You had to have everything int he manner they described, doc holder etc and without knowing about RSI it was reduced.
I wonder if it could also be due to typing pools changing staff frequently, mostly female not staying at work (please note: not commenting on maternity leave - or lack of it then).
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Posted By Colin Reeves No mice in those days?
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Posted By Lilian McCartney the mice were the ones which ate your luch
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Shades of grumpy old man or ladies if they decide to join in.
Bring back the typing pool and let the engineers get on with some proper work!!!!!!!
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Posted By Steve Cartwright A lot of people have computers at home as well, increasing the risk of rsi.
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Posted By Jane Blunt Having used mechanical and electric typewriters I believe that it is the position of the hand that is the culprit in the DSE use.
Yes, with a mechanical typewriter you had to hit the key quite hard, but in order to be able to do so, your hand was forced to be in quite a good position - you probably couldn't get the thing to work otherwise.
The keys on a computer are so easy to use that it is tempting to rest your hand on the desk and have your wrist flexed.
Jane
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Posted By BB I always thought that the old style typing pools did cripple typists.
My dear old Mum had CTS for yonks but didn't like to make too much of a fuss.
They were tough in those days y'know!
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Posted By LMR Posture, preparation and poise! and if any of the three were incorrect further lessons typing with books on the head to ensure correct positioning for the ladies that we were!!!!! Also the stretching of fingers assisted and the fact that we type without looking at the keys keeping our necks straighter. And we did get injuries but we were tough - a bit of crepe bandage and we were off again for a full day . . . and I still use shorthand even today!
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Posted By Pete48 I knew that Carpal Tunnel Syndrome has been "around" for some time, I was amazed when I looked it up to find it was first identified in the 1850's as a medical condition!
If there is a lack of evidence of work related injury for then as compared to now, this is probably about the ever-improving links and understanding of the occupational causes for all sorts of medical conditions; increased awareness amongst the average person; greater population at risk. (if you accept the risk factors as given that is)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan It's actually open to debate to what extent 'old-fashioned' typists experienced injuries at work: after all, Ramazzini identified a variety of occupational injuries due to repetitive motions, force and posture as long ago as the beginning of the nineteenth century.
As Bob Bridger explains in 'Introduction to Ergonomics' (Taylor and Francis, 2nd edition, 2003), one reason why the prevalence of injuries amongst typists was much lower than presently amongst many users of DSE is that there was actually much more variety in their task activities. Restful break from monotonous keybashing included returning the carriage at the end of each line of typing, inserting paper and envelopes to be typed every few minutes as well as filing - much, much more task variety than those DSE users who suffer WRULDs experience.
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Posted By Pete48 Hi Kieran, interesting comment, thank you. Isn't the action of flipping the return carriage a form of repetitive work in itself, along with the "twiddle" (as my mum used to refer to it) to set the paper. And I cannot imagine what language she would have used had she ever read the book that you refer to. Restful breaks and variety? One reason she left the typing pool was the monotony and drudgery of constant typing to meet the deadlines. My early memories also contain a vision of the "typing pool" full of very tetchy women who were constantly tapping away all day and had little time for anything else; especially a very junior lad who was inexplicably attracted to a room full of young woman! Secretaries may have had some variety but typing pool? Obviously just one example from my life experiences and nothing more. I don't doubt the contents of the book referenced or your comments. I do wonder if the Regs had appeared in 1952 instead of 1992 whether we would have seen occupational cases appearing earlier?
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Posted By Bruce Sutherland how about good old fashioned natural selection....
I believe that there were quite a large number of issues ... however there were no DSE Regs. There are also various cynical thoughts that if journalists did not use PC's then there would not be quite so much attention to DSE .. certainly the airing of other parts of the 6 pack did not and still does not appear to be equal.
Cheers
Bruce
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Posted By Taff2 Is it because those who can type - can read & are therefore more likely to bring a civil claim against the employer?!?
I spoke to the leading occupational health expert for a government enforcement authority - somewhere in Europe !! regarding ergonomics & he said that in 20 years time we will have created a working population too weak to perform routine tasks - this will lead to significant other social health issues.
Are we a fitter nation than 50 years ago? Or has the do-gooders reaping the rewards of lack of fore-sight?
All the laws are protecting the few - those that have a professional manager or EHS body - for all the others, we seem to ignore them or wait for civil claims.......
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