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#1 Posted : 15 November 2007 16:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Claire C
Dear All,

I have been given the task of reviewing our disciplinary procedures for our subcontractors on site.

Currently it states that for a breach of health and safety rules a yellow card shall be issued, then thereafter if another breach of safety rules occurs then a red card is issued and the subcontractor is excluded from site. However that is as detailed as the current procedure is. It does not details the lhow the card is issued, how it is recorded and the ength of time a yellow card is held for before it is deleted from your record.

I was wondering if any one has any suggestions on how best to manage this?

Thanks



Claire
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#2 Posted : 15 November 2007 16:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap
Why the cards? Why not just a non conformance type document with a 'and what are you going to do about it' section at the bottom. I think the cards may be a bit misunderstood. I am a referee and issuing a card when playing football can inflame a situation They shouldn't be banded about lightly.
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#3 Posted : 15 November 2007 16:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick
You don't really mean disciplinary procedures, you can't discipline a non employee. You want a fair procedure for excluding people who not adhere to your site standards.
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#4 Posted : 15 November 2007 17:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merlin
I found that using a duplicating book, titled ‘improvement notice’

In it I identify ‘infringements / action for improvement’

And as part of my KPI, I publish this monthly with all other statistics

After about 6 months infringements fell from first month of 45 per site, to less than 10 per month per site

it works for me, i also give a book each to all managers of our company who use it when visiting other sites it also keeps the managers on their toes as they don’t like other managers visiting and finding infringements good for competition
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#5 Posted : 15 November 2007 17:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian G Hutchings
Claire

I agree with the previous points. Not a fan of the cards system per se I see that there could be some inconsistency here.

Do you have the same card system for your site manager or supervisor? Surely they also hold accountability for what goes on?

I've been told in the past and believe that when we have to discipline people frequently we have failed as managers. That view aside, you may need to see how proportionate each warning is to the resulting penalty. By all means make it clear that you do not tolerate violation of rules; it just needs to be fair and proportionate and have a clear link to the rule that has been violated.

There is a great deal to consider, which I cannot do full justice within this response. You could have some sort of example flow chart giving three scenarios and train site managers in what they would do. I have found this to be useful in the past as different individuals may have differing views on how discipline should be applied.

Hope this helps.

Ian
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#6 Posted : 15 November 2007 17:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merlin
forgot to say, if any individual worker receives three or more they are brought back for site induction and tool box take on the subjects of their infringements, any company or sub-contractor is dealt with in a similar way only this goes on record and when tendering for new work this information is flagged up
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#7 Posted : 16 November 2007 11:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Claire

Not sure if you mean the subcontractor operative or the subcontract company here. If you mean the company itself then I totally agree with what has been said about non-conformances above and you should hopefully have a suitable procedure already in place for closing these out.

If you are referring to operatives I have to say that this type of approach without ground rules and appeals is close to unfair employment practice. You are imposing these requirements on the employees of others and as such all things that you mention need to be fully transparent. I have heard of one or two of these reaching employment tribunals but this has been hearsay.

Like all such schemes you do need to set out:

What standards are to be achieved

How it will be monitored and by whom

Who is empowered to issue cards

What are the penalties

How can one appeal a decision

How long each strike/card exists as part of the count eg 1 month, 2 months, 12 months etc

They can be useful but need to be properly administered if you are not to cause major problems.

Bob
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#8 Posted : 16 November 2007 13:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Claire C
Thanks very much for your comments and thoughts they are much appreciated.
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