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Posted By steven Boulter
I have some asbestos surveyors that refuse to go into an area where there is pigeon faeces present. I feel that the occupational health hazards from the pigeon faeces should be controlled if the correct ppe/procedures are adopted that you would expect a competent asbestos surveyor to know. i.e. correct PPE and Safe clean down/removal of overalls etc. However, I’m not an expert in biological diseases!
I would be grateful of any comments if you agree or disagree
Thanks
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Posted By bob safe
They're surveying for asbestos but too scared of a bit of bird poop? I'd get another surveyor in
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Posted By GARRY WIZZ
I own pigeons.
Face mask, gloves, low risk, especially as in this weather it is not dry poop.
garry
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Te RPE & PPE which you should wear for Asbestos Surveying will more than protect against pigean poo dust, however they may be a issue with hand to mouth contact so scrupulous hand cleaning when finished or taking a break.
Antiseptic hand wash /wipes etc
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Posted By mike morland
Hi
It may appear in the first instance that the asbestos company/surveyors are being a bit OTT about the pidgeon droppings and I'm sure you are right that a RA would suggest that suitable PPE would be required and simple enough to work out.
However, and not wishing to upset the pigeon fancier in the earlier comments, you have to consider that you do have a problem with pidgeons roosting and wild pidgeons are classed as vermin and as such can be culled by local authorities on request (at a fee).
Therefore perhaps you should also consider eradicating the pidgeons and undernetting the area.
Failing that - get another quote.
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Posted By Derek J Golding
I'd be interested to know how much more they would settle for to do the job! Of course, they're off message if they don't consider their RPE/PPE suitable for the PP. I'd probably be examining their competence in the first place. In general terms, the biohazrad from PP comes from airborne particles containing bacteria/spores/viruses etc., As RPE/PPE should be entirely capable of withstanding these and the bio-cleandown and As-cleandown are pretty similar in that they are designed to prevent transfer. Get a proper contractor!
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Posted By Julian Wilkinson
You could get a pest control company in to clean it up (there are plenty of them around) and put preventive measures in to stop the birds returning after the asbestos survey
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Posted By MICK MEAD, CMIOSH
Don't forget that such fouling can also be a slip hazard - maybe thats a more likley event than the health issue.
Mick
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Posted By Robert Kingston
Psittacosis is an infection of birds caused by the bacterium Chlamydophila (formerly called Chlamydia) psittaci. It can be transfered to humans. I have done risk assessments and guidance for a Championship football club that had a problem with pigons at its stadium. Let me know if I can be of help
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Posted By David B Wright
Dried bird droppings can be very hazardous and may contain an aggressive yeast organism called Cryptococcus Neoformans. The droppings should be sanitised with a chlorine sloution and when softened enough, be cleaned away by operatives wearing appropriate respiritory PPE, coveralls goggles and gloves.
Contamination may lead to a type of meningitis. If not treated this will become fatal.
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Posted By Chris Packham
Whilst at a conference in Germany last summer the ledges outside my window were fitted with a pigeon repellent system comprising strips of plastic with spikes. If you are interested, I have a photograph of this. I could probably find out the name of the manufacturer.
It certainly kept the pigeons away - and I got a good night's sleep (no cooing!).
Chris
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Posted By Darren (Daz) Fraser
1. Get a specialist in to remove the offending substance.
2. Have the same specialist remove the problem birds
3. Change asbestos surveyor
4. Sit back, put feet up and have a nice cup of tea.
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1. Don overalls, mask, gloves and goggles and remove offending substance into black bags and dispose of.
2. Get a specialist in too remove all the problem birds.
3. Still change asbestos surveyor
4. Still sit back, put feet up and have a nice cup of tea, just an hour or so later.
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Posted By Derek Williams
Am I correct in thinking that you can contact TB from bird droppings as well.
Derek.
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Posted By Sue hogan
As a preventative measure for the future you could consider Pigeon spikes to stop them landing on there.
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Posted By Debbie H
A bit of bird poop has never stopped us carrying out an asbestos survey, so give us a call. Of course if it is 4ft deep and an extreme slip hazard, we may advise removal work prior to completing the survey, but that is just best practice. Our web site is asbestos-insulation.com and we can perform subsequent removal work if required.
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Posted By Bruce Sutherland
Hi Debbie
Obviously you are a UKAS inspection body as recommended by HSE?
Those who live by the sword ....
"Mods" presumably both of us go to the sin bin!!!
Cheers
Bruce
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