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Posted By Paul Woodard
Has anybody had any experience of slips & falls because of thermoplastic roadmarkings within a private car park becoming 'slippery when wet'.
My client is worried about legal action should somebody injure themselves as a result.
Personally I would argue that the benefits of providing directional instruction outweighs the risk from somebody slipping.
Your views / experiences would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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Posted By holmezy
Paul,
Roadsigns do become slippery when wet, especially if you are on a motor bike at the time!!
I agree with you that the benefits far out weighs the risks and would just advise that employees are made aware and told that "when it rains, be careful".
Just imagine the confusion, cost, accidents etc caused by not having road markings..........lets hope that there arn't any barmy councils out there that decide to remove them due to the slipping hazard!
Holmezy
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Posted By Karen Todd Not directly, but my sister was involved in an accident on the motorway where the traffic was stop/start stop/start and she crashed into the back of someone. Completely her own fault. However, one of the policemen made an off the cuff remark about the location and said, "Yeah, we've had loads of accidents on this part of the road - people see the queue of traffic ahead, slam on the brakes only to skid on the white letters"... However, I understand that you can apply glass beads to the surface to improve things: http://www.roadsonline.c...d=397&issue=25§ion=1KT
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Posted By David Bramall
Paul
Road markings are, as other road surfacing products governed by specifications regarding skid resistance, luminance and retroreflectivity among others.
These specifications are used to ensure suitablility. For example, large or wide markings are often required to contain high friction aggregate such as calcined bauxite or granite to avoid skidding or slips for that matter.
Motorcyclists do often make a case for centre lines and the like which are a lesser standard in terms of skid resistance than the surrounding road surface and hence crossing these can in some cases cause a skid.
In terms of pedestrians, there should be no problem with quality thermoplastic road markings (road marking paint or sprays etc. may be different).
The RSMA (Road Surfacing Marking Association - I believe) will have suitable information on their website or contact details. Im not sure of the web address but a quick search should solve the problem.
Good luck
David
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Then again Holmezy, there are I believe some pilot projects underway where roadmarkings (particularly centre lines) have been deliberately removed. Theory is that lack of visual guides means people drive more defensively and cautiously.
I note that in some retail/private car parks are well delineated with give-way markings etc. people drive much faster (& too fast) than in those where there are no markings at all and "right of way" is unclear?
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Posted By holmezy
Ron,
I heard something similar on the Jeremy Vine show earlier this week and remember semi agreeing with it. Certainly, I feel "safe" when I drive on "my side" of a road with white lines with the (mis)conception that no one will enter "my space". When there are no white lines (country lanes?), I'm certainly more cautious of on coming traffic. I'm sure we've all pulled right over into the hedgerow to let another car pass, only then to realise that there was enough room for a couple of buses!! So I agree in principle, but cant see it working on the M25.
For any other car drivers or pedestrians out there, its not only white lines, oil slicks, manhole covers that cause us bikers grip problems, but crisp bags and flattened drinks cans are particularly un-nerving if you happen to ride over them whilst negotiating bends and corners or braking, so please dispose os litter responsibly. Here endeth todays lesson.
Holmezy
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Posted By David Bramall
Paul
I hope you have been able to gain some useful information from your thread. Unfortunately it appears as though Ron and Homer have now started their own discussion without addressing the initial question.
DrB
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Posted By Ron Hunter
With respect Mr Bramall, I consider that in suggesting that road markings need not necessarily be seen as mandatory on the highway (and by implication, the workplace) I was discussing the issue raised by Paul regarding a balancing of relative risks.
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