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#1 Posted : 27 November 2007 14:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Hi, I've just had a request for the disposal of Carbon(graphite) dust - a barrel full, land on my desk. Anyone know whether it should be treated as hazardous or otherwise? Likewise does anyone know of a licenced waste contractor that can take it in the Hinckley / Leicester area? Or even from further afield? As ever thanks in advance . Badger
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#2 Posted : 27 November 2007 14:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick Look up EWC codes from EA website. Graphite not hazardous waste. Very dusty materials need to be well wrapped or will cause health and visual concerns at landfill site. e.g. dump loose dust and it can appear that the tip is on fire.
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#3 Posted : 27 November 2007 14:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins Badger Assuming it's unused - check first with the original supplier to see if they will take it back. Some do. Failing that, if it's securely packed in a metal drum then it should count as non-hazardous solid waste and is suitable for landfill if it can't be recycled by your normal waste contractor.
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#4 Posted : 27 November 2007 14:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Thanks Ken Just checked with Enviro Agency and they don't know what EWC code to givie it but said I need to have it sampled first to have a classification put on it. Does anyone else have thoughts on the subject? Badger
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#5 Posted : 27 November 2007 14:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Thanks Heather Unfortunately I don't see my company paying for it to be shipped back to the U.S. It would mean too many licences for a one of in five year job. The dust is a result of a machining process, if that helps. Badger
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#6 Posted : 27 November 2007 15:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick Graphite 01 01 02 from EWC list on EA website
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#7 Posted : 27 November 2007 15:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Thanks Ken I don't think it falls into WASTES RESULTING FROM EXPLORATION, MINING, QUARRYING, AND PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL TREATMENT OF MINERALS though. I thought more of a 12 01 99, it having been on a lathe. What say you? Badger
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#8 Posted : 27 November 2007 15:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins Badger I've always been told with the EWC codes that you avoid the XX XX 99 codes unless absolutely nothing else will fit. The "you must have it sampled" is rubbish if you know what it is and where it comes from. I get rid of liquid and solid process waste all the time and if we sampled every drum we'd be paying a fortune! What process exactly does it arise from and in what industry?
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#9 Posted : 27 November 2007 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker Could you ask the local coal merchant how he gets rid of his coal dust?
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#10 Posted : 27 November 2007 16:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins Coal dust isn't graphite. Some grades of coal contain bitumen and all sorts of nasties.
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#11 Posted : 27 November 2007 17:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter The EWC codes do NOT fit the end waste hence my xx xx 99. The process. Our contractor takes a bar of carbon (graphite), machines a hole down the centre the turns the outer diameter to size. All this is done on a lathe. The resultant waste is a very fine powder like cooking flour but black. I've in the mean time arranged for a lockable oil drum to be supplied to him for storage purposes to contain the substances. The end product is a bit like a circular brush for some electronic kit. Any further comments? Badger
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#12 Posted : 28 November 2007 09:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins Badger I think this does highlight an issue that I've also had with the EWC codes. Sometimes the waste you want to classify doesn't seem to fit into any of the codes even though you know exactly what it is. I often find that although I can find a code that describes the waste perfectly, the code itself is in the wrong category for the process it arises from! I've had another look and I reckon you CAN consider your process to fall into category 01 - WASTES RESULTING FROM EXPLORATION, MINING, QUARRYING, AND PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL TREATMENT OF MINERALS. I agree that you are not quarrying, etc, but you are "physically treating" a mineral -graphite. Therefore it would fall into 01 04 "wastes from physical and chemical processing of non-metalliferous minerals" and specifically into 01 04 10 "dusty and powdery wastes other than those mentioned in 01 04 07" (01 04 07 are wastes containing dangerous substances. Provided you go on to describe the waste as graphite powder, I would think this fits the bill perfectly. In all this, the critical point is that the waste management company has sufficient information to make an informed choice about how and where to treat the waste.
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#13 Posted : 28 November 2007 12:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Heather Thanks for your comments I will look closer at the EWC. Now to find acompany that will take the ruddy stuff! Badger
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#14 Posted : 28 November 2007 13:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins Badger As it's solid non-hazardous waste (i.e. can be landfilled) I would have thought almost any waste management company would take it. Mind you in my experience prices vary widely and you will get charged more for a single drum due to transport costs than if you were able to store it and dispose of with other non-hazardous drummed waste (assuming you have any!) as a complete load.
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#15 Posted : 28 November 2007 14:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker Heather, Did I say that Coal was graphite?? I was just suggesting they might have similar problems & a simple solution. Barry, Seems to me your problem is not the substance but the form. Could it be solidified? I used to have mega problems with paint powder but we found an easy way of solidifying and then ( with LA Environmental dept blessing) dumped it in the normal landfill.
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#16 Posted : 28 November 2007 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Thanks Folks, As indicated earlier I've arranged for a lockable oil drum to be supplied to our contractor for storage purposes to contain the substance. Therefore it will be 'solid' and wait to see if we can ship it with other wastes. Badger
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#17 Posted : 28 November 2007 15:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins Jim No but you implied that a solution for "getting rid" of coal dust would be appropriate for dispoasl of graphite dust. There's only one legal way to "get rid" of something you can't recycle or re-use on site and that's via a licensed waste contractor with proper paperwork including an EWC code. I'm not implying that you intended anything illegal or underhand.
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#18 Posted : 29 November 2007 10:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Heather / Jum, Just received the SDS from the states, in which it is given as a non eco hazardous and can be landfilled or incinerated. Next question is, as it is a non hazardous by product of our contractors operations do we need to obtain a licence for storage at either his or our site? Badger
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#19 Posted : 29 November 2007 14:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins Badger No licence is needed to store waste on the site where it is produced prior to it being removed by a licenced contractor. However, if it is being generated on someone else's' site, you may not transport it to your site nor store it on your site without the relevant paperwork being in place. This would be a carriers' licence for whoever transports it and either a waste management licence or (probably, but I haven't looked it up to see if it can be classed as exempt) a letter from the EA for a waste management exemption. By taking waste produced elsewhere, by a third party, you would be effectively acting as a waste transfer station even if the waste is generated in the course of doing a job for you. Easiest solution - your contractor keeps it on his site, it is collected by the waste company from his site, he charges you for it. That's always assuming that your contract with him says that you are responsible for the waste arising from this process. To be honest, I don't see why you should be....
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#20 Posted : 03 December 2007 12:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Thx Heather, Thought that was the case. Badger P.S. It's December so, Merry Xmas everyone
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#21 Posted : 05 December 2007 17:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter All previous comments have been acted upon. I have a new question: The Enviro Agency gives in relation to the waste carrier - 1.The person can take it – check that they are authorised; 2.The waste goes to a proper site - licensed or exempt; and 3.You give the person a transfer note - this needs to include a description of the waste. Previous carriers have given us notes with all the details on, do we need to as in 3 need to give them a copy of of the waste details as well ie, using the suggested sheet as given on www.wastedirectory.org.u...areWasteTransferNote.pdf ? If so I thought we were suppose to be reducing waste not generating it! Badger
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#22 Posted : 06 December 2007 10:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins Badger No. Only one set of transfer notes needs to be exchanged (copy for you, copy for them, copy for the disposal site, etc). Whether you produce it or the carrier/disposer produces it does not matter so long as it has all the correct details on (including the dreaded EWC code!) and is signed by both parties. We find that our regular waste management companies provide the documentation for us whereas the smaller ones rely on us to do it for them. You need to keep your copy on site for 3 years to comply with legislation.
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#23 Posted : 06 December 2007 11:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi The best fit in the list appears to be:- 12 Wastes from Shaping and Physical and Mechanical Surface Treatment of Metals and Plastics 12 01 03 non-ferrous metal filings and turnings 12 01 04 non-ferrous metal dust and particles The above 2 are colour-coded black and therefore "Non-hazardous"
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#24 Posted : 06 December 2007 11:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins Jay - no this doesn't fit, carbon isn't a metal, non-ferrous or otherwise. I think we'd already fixed on an EWC code in the 01 series.
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#25 Posted : 06 December 2007 13:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi Neither does it fit with "physical treatment" as mineral physical treatment processes are generally large scale Chemical Engineering Unit Operations such as thickening, (sedimentation, clarifiers), filteration, cenrtrifugation, drying, etc. I do not think surface finishing using a lathe is a mineral physical treatment process, (from my chemical engineering knowledge). References:- http://www.fep.uq.edu.au...s93/pdf/01Chap04_4-1.pdf http://www.fep.uq.edu.au/Books/Hayes93/toc.asp Atthough the origin of the graphite is mineral, a rod of graphite means it has undergone processing after being mined etc and was supplied as a "finshed product" that was further worked on a lather i.e. "surface finished" For all practical purposes, the activity is indeed surface finishing. Barrie, sorry for this slight deviation.
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#26 Posted : 06 December 2007 14:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins Jay I agree that it is difficult to accurately categorise this waste without resorting to one of the "other" or 99 codes, which we were trying to avoid. My personal feeling is that graphite classified as a mineral (all be it one that has undergone some treatment) is more accurate than graphite classified as a plastic or metal, which it definitely is not. To be perfectly honest, as in this case the chemical and physical nature of the waste can be accurately described and it is most definitely non-hazardous, I'm not sure that the EWC code is all that critical. (I'm not saying it's not necessary, just that it wil not determine how the material is transported or treated) I have certainly come across the situation where the same material has been classified three ways by three people. Anyone care to venture a classification code for empty aerosol cans, which have contained a hi flam material and had a hi flam propellant?
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