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#1 Posted : 28 November 2007 15:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Patrick Canning
My company has asked me to take over the waste dept. I know nothing about this can anyone give me advice on where to start. I have looked to see what we do now and that's not much (everything into landfill).
All advice will be gratefully accepted.

Baby steps please

Patrick
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#2 Posted : 28 November 2007 15:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heathrow
GET OUT ! RUN ! THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF IS A TOTAL MINEFIELD ! RUN RUN RUN !

Not to be too over the top, but it is not fun at all and the Environment agency are about as helpful as a very unhelpful thing !
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#3 Posted : 28 November 2007 16:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Patrick

I faced this problem when helping a company recently. I had to develop a course for them. It is a minefield and extremely easy to find yourself tied into what has always been done by custom and practice.

You really need some training to get the various acts, regulations and codes clear in your mind. We can talk offline if you wish.

Bob
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#4 Posted : 28 November 2007 16:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Taff
Patrick,

Waste management is not a total minefield as long as you approach it sensiblly. First off you should by now be "pre -treating" your waste before it goes to landfill, this can be as simple as segregating it into different types befor collection.

Check to ensure that your company is registered as a hazardous waste producer (it probably is as most waste is now classified as hazardous). If you are not registered you can do this on the EA website for £18 (I think), also this registration needs to be renewed annually so make sure you put it in your diary as the fines can be painful! If you are not sure how to identify your waste get hold of the EWC waste document (again via the EA website) and make sure you identify everything properly for your waste contractor.

You must also ensure that you keep hold of all the Section 34 duty of care waste transfer notes that you should get every time your waste is collected - don't throw them as the EA might pitch up and want to look you over.

I would also suggest that once you have identified and segregated all your different waste streams you try and recycle as much as posiible or sell it for further use (one mans' waste is anothers' raw material!).

I have managed to successfully streamline our waste and this has saved over £150K in the past three years and generated a substantial income as well (shame I'm not on a savings related bonus):-(

You could also try getting on a chartered institute of waste management course and this would stand you in good stead.

Hope this is of some use mate. Don't lose hope.

Taff
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#5 Posted : 28 November 2007 16:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins
Patrick

The others are right about getting some training to make sure you know what the legislation requires.

However ultimately you'll have to tackle the problem so I suggest the following as a start:

1. Make a list of all the different types of waste your company produces and where each one goes from the moment it is generated until the moment it leaves the site.

So for example:
Paper - into office waste bins - into big recycling wheelie bin - into rear yard - collected by recycling company. (ideal scenario)
Paper - into office waste bins - into black sack - into skip - to landfill (more likely scenario!)

2. Check if any of the waste you have is hazardous. If it is, make sure your company is registered with the relevant Agency (EPA/SEPA)

3. Take a look at all the current paperwork that the company has related to the waste it generates - waste transfer notes, annual tickets, skip tickets, recycling notes, etc. You should have a piece of paper to cover every waste collection (although if the same thing is collected every time you may find an "annual ticket" covers everything.

4. Look at who your waste disposal companies are and make sure they are all licensed both as carriers (where they transport the waste for you) and as waste management sites.

Then, sit down and have a good cry!!

Ultimately I would suggest that you ask your largest waste management company to come in, sit down with you and discuss your recycling and waste segregation options. We've done this with two companies and I have found their ideas most helpful.

I'd be happy to answer any specific queries you might have if you want to drop me an e-mail!
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#6 Posted : 28 November 2007 18:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Mitchell
I have to agree with the post about the EA. If you ring the HSE they will usually clarify any compliance issued you may have regarding 'their' regulations. If you try the same thing with the EA, they say
'these are the regulations, it is entirely down to you how you interpret them and if you get it wrong we will come down on you like a ton of bricks - but do not come to us to ask how to interpret them as we will not become accountable by suggesting a suitable course of action to take!'

Sorry for the negatitivity, but this is how they have been for my last two queries. They weren't even that technical!!
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#7 Posted : 28 November 2007 19:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H
A lot of good advice - I would strongly recommend you follow Heathers suggestion.
Get the waste contractor in to advise you. They will be able to identify the nature of the waste and advise what you need to do and how.

Then after a while - take the next step and try and reduce the waste created in the first place - including energy usage.
Potentially big savings all round. Awareness sessions for the workforce are also a must.

If I can offer any help, feel free to ask.

Good luck
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#8 Posted : 29 November 2007 09:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Masson
Hmmm...

Very interesting to see the reaction of the H & S guys to environment!

I spent years trying to get into Environmental Management, only to be told that it was part of H & S remit!!!!

Having had many years in Env. Man. now, it is not a 'minefield, any more than any other new responsibility is.

Get to know your EA/SEPA officers, your waste management contractors, and yes, get some training.

Make both managers and workers aware that there is a high financial as well as environmental cost/opportunity to getting things wrong or right.

Try and make training personal to the audience - are they anglers, gardeners, golfers, relate things to climate change which they hear about every day but won't understand - explain it to them!

Contact me off forum if you want more advice.

Jim
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#9 Posted : 29 November 2007 09:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Masson
Oh yes, get your waste contractors to provide you with a monthly breakdown of type of waste, quantity, recycled or landfilled, where it goes and the WML/PPC for the disposal point.
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#10 Posted : 29 November 2007 09:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Word of caution concerning waste contractors - almost universally the paperwork purporting to be the waste transfer note is not sufficient to comply with the regulatory requirements. The responsibility for the proper completion rests with the producer of the waste. This is why you either need training as soon as possible or the assistance of someone independent of the disposal chain until you gain sufficient knowledge and experience to fly solo.

I would be very reluctant to rely also on the offer to maintain the waste records for you. I have audited many of these systems, as provided by a number of majors in the sector, and found them wanting. Yet again it is a producer responsibility.

Bob
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#11 Posted : 29 November 2007 09:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By GARRY WIZZ
Done the waste awareness course run by CIWM which was a complete WASTE of time. Might have been due to the instructor.

However, any recommendations as to what training course one should attend so that on a construction site with a project cost of £1 up to £1million, I might on completion of the course feel fairly confident that I am dealing with waste effectively.

Garry
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#12 Posted : 29 November 2007 09:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Gary wizz

Drop me an email I may be able to give better information.

Bob
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#13 Posted : 29 November 2007 09:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel

Questions:

Why is it that its OK [and this site sometime seems to support the idea]for somebody to opt into H&S and environmental areas but a complete no- no to opt into finance, marketing, legal, QA, etc etc areas?

Why is it the we continually give support on this site [and in most cases it is right and proper - this is what the site can be used for] without also adding in, in all instances of advice, that a competent person should be used in all cases and people should get themselves competent as against 'picking up' ideas and information?

Why is it that there are many good people out there who are studying hard to become competent re H&S/Env areas [which costs lots of £ etc] yet we give info out so easily to those who are not studying etc but want to opt into the profession the easy way?

Can I suggest that we continue to give advice

[noting that solicitors, doctors, barristers, accountants, designers etc give very very little free advice, if any at all, and you cannot easily access [if gain access at all] any of their professional sites]

and add in on all occasions when info is given that a competent person should be used & a person should strive to be competent

Talking to barrister friends they have said that my profession will never be recognised as being a 'proper' profession as long as we give to many things away!

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#14 Posted : 29 November 2007 11:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By GARRY WIZZ
All lawyers and associated persons should be put to the sword.OK, just joshing a bit,
however I will have more respect for the opinion of a H&S bod then I would for the opinion of anyone out the legal proffesion.

H&S work to improve the quality of life.Even our worst plonkers conkers bonkers have that as an aim

Legal eagles are a two edge sword, the down side to that crew has got more down than a certain status quo record, extended version.

Garry
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#15 Posted : 29 November 2007 13:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Bob Y

I agree with you especially when it comes to waste management. It is not an area to move into without full competent support unless you are already competent. Training is merely a start but you cannot set aside the day to day real life experience of those who have been managing the issue for some time. I do not mean waste management contractors here either. As I have said my experience has not been uniformly good with many of the organisations.

Bob
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#16 Posted : 29 November 2007 13:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
First step

1 Contact http://www.envirowise.gov.uk/home this is a free government run scheme who will undertake a free waste impact etc on your company and advise you on what to do to get better at managing your waste!

2. Follow the advice!

3 Tick box as job done!
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#17 Posted : 29 November 2007 13:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Dave W

Wish it was that simple. Envirowise are good at relatively simple waste streams but as they become more complex they tend, for me, to be too simplistic. Unlike consultants there is no PI if they are wrong on something. Their knowledge of the management process is not always what I would hope. Their real purpose is to suggest ways of better managing the waste stream not train people how to manage waste.

Bob
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#18 Posted : 29 November 2007 13:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
I agree, but is a good 'FREE' starting point!
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