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Posted By DRB
The HSE have just released their 2nd Simplification Plan designed to show what they are doing to simplify H&S legislation and thereby reduce the burden on businesses.
It's 48 pages long!!!!
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
and a much shorter account would generate a mountain of allegations of shoddiness.
Brevity is no guarantee of useful simplicity.
Ironical perhaps.
It's also a paradox.
The fact is that the Pragmatist philosophers have explained the principles at much greater length for over a century.
Yet you are not alone in apparently being unwilling to open your mind to the simple reality arising from the double bind arising from the social and political forces of the legislation which constitutes the HSE as a statutory agency. social forces.
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Posted By Pete48
Knock, knock.
A plan to simplify is not necessarily a simple task. The irony only appears if you ignore that difference, methinks.
The summary is only a couple of pages, the plan has been drawn out to achieve things we all want to see and it is available in the public domain.
All things to applaud surely?
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Posted By Adrian Watson
Unfortunately few of the things that simply things actually did what it said in the report. Neither the CDM regs or the asbestos regs simplified much; it certainly changed things, but did it simplify it? My answer is a resounding NO!
If they want to really simplify things they should hold open, transparent and honest consultations, without the proposers being the ones carrying out the consultation process. Furthermore all responders should be allowed to give evidence to HSC and not only HSE.
Regards Adrian Watson
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Posted By Adrian Watson
Unfortunately few of the things that the HSC/E said simplify matters actually did what they said in the report. Neither the CDM regs or the asbestos regs simplified much; it certainly changed things, but did it simplify it? My answer is a resounding NO!
If they want to really simplify things they should hold open, transparent and honest consultations, without the proposers being the ones carrying out the consultation process. Furthermore all responders should be allowed to give evidence to HSC and not only HSE.
Regards Adrian Watson
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Posted By Bob Youel
Irrespective of how 'business friendly' the HSE wants to become a solicitor, insurer and the like wants detail! Try going to court / defending an insurance claim without reams of detailed paper!
Additionally businesses want and accept detailed:- Contract 'terms and conditions', finance,QA [none H&S types]and marketing etc systems
I feel that the subject is just another moan re H&S from businesses as they see [on average] no gain/kudos from H&S when the market is full of cheap labour that can easily be replaced without repercussions [for those out there who disagree I suggest that you look at the reality labour market especially in the small business areas - I know many people who have been on 'day-hire' agency terms with the same company and councils for years!]and the real chance of getting caught out is very slim
I have seen small businesses spend hours and hours discussing, viewing etc which company cars to have but moan like mad when they have to spend one hour evaluating their H&S systems
Until such times as the government, insurers and big business do something to make H&S a full benchmarking /reporting process with real punishment and gains available to business we will not move on
As for the HSE; they want one thing today re their public image [ and rightly so] but something different when they are investigating!
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