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Posted By Brenda H
Can someone suggest a good course for individuals to go on so they can set up, use and inspect their own tower scaffolds? 2.2 & 6.2 metre one's.
Also, is there a course that one person from the company could go on and then train operatives in their areas?
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Brenda
It is called PASMA training and yes there is a trainers course.
Bob
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Posted By Brenda H
Thanks for that Bob
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Posted By David S Burt
I must say that I am amazed that each time erecting Tower Scaffolds is mentioned people only reference PASMA training. This in turn gives the impression that there is a particular legal requirement for anyone erecting a tower to have been PASMA Trained.
However the requirement is for any individual to be competent in the assembly, dismantling or alteration of Mobile Access Towers. PASMA training does allow for individuals to be issued with a Certificate of Competence.
The ConstructionSkills NVQ Unit VR 250 Erect and Dismantle Access/Working Platforms is accredited by QCA (Qualification Curriculum Authority) and is recognised by the HSE as allowing the holder to demonstrate their competence.
My understanding is that the PASMA training is not currently accredited by QCA and only requires the instructor to comply with the requirements of the PASMA Code of Practice. To deliver and assess against any NVQ Unit or Standard the individual must demonstrate their competence in a range of areas that meet rigorous requirements of the Awarding Body for Construction & QCA.
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Posted By GeoffB4
That's a very strong adjective - do you truly find it amazing?
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Posted By Dave Merchant
David's correct - PASMA is "merely" a trade association and the public-sector version of the training is entirely different, but as with other aspects of work at height (such as IRATA vs. BS7985 in rope access) the trade associations have far more advertising presence in the sector than the 'unbranded' courses, simply due to their ability to throw money at the problem. As a result a substantial majority of companies *do* think of the trade body as being the only "correct" route even though that's not the case. Insurance companies then insist on that type of ticket because "everyone seems to be using it", and in a few months it becomes impossible to convince people that there's another option. I've had this very conversation with insurance underwriters many times, and with all the HSE-backed advice in the world thrown at them they tend not to change their views, even if they agree it's probably not right. Head above the parapet arguments win over common sense.
I have no connection to PASMA and don't intend to comment on the technical content of their courses, but if you take the "stick with the crowd" approach they're the way to go for mobile tower training simply because a PASMA ticket is less likely to cause an argument on some random third-party site with a confused H+S policy. Being right or wrong isn't the point, it's avoiding half a day of sitting in the van while people argue on the phone.
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Posted By maddog RM
David,
PASMA is generally taken as the industry leader in scaffold tower training, hence they are mentioned so often. Have you wondered why IOSH is mentioned so often for h&s professionals?
PASMA, IRATA, IPAF, CSCS, CPCS,IOSH, NEBOSH etc are all market leaders in their field.
Almost all main contractors in construction will insist on personnel having these training standards. You may find shorter, cheaper courses out there but I'm 99% sure you will end up doing the industry standard course in the end and possibly pay more in the long run.
The message is go for the best brand out there to save you time and money later.
(Says he that has never done a NEBOSH course but is CMIOSH)
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Posted By David S Burt
To get a CSCS card now or a CPCS Card you must undertake an appropriate S/NVQ. NEBOSH courses are also accredited by QCA.
To gain membership of IOSH you must now have completed a course of study that is accredited by QCA.
PASMA and IPAF courses are not accredited by QCA. Like Dave M, I have no connection to PASMA or IPAF and I will not comment on the technical content of their courses.
At the end of the day I know which qualification I would prefer my employees to hold particularly if it came to a Court Case –Criminal or Civil
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Posted By GeoffB4
At the end of the day I know which qualification I would prefer my employees to hold particularly if it came to a Court Case –Criminal or Civil
Another bold statement! Does this mean that any unaccredited course on any subject is not worth attending and leaves you open to litigation? For example, a Manual Handling course not accredited by IOSH?
Of course another view would be to judge a course by its contents and the lecturer, rather than limiting the provision of courses to accredited bodies - but maybe that's too radical.
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Posted By Brenda H
Thanks for your responses.
Your various posts answer my question.
I am happy to make my own mind up on course suitability, just wanted to check that there wasn't a 'particular' requirement for a 'particular' course to be attended, if you get what I mean.
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