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#1 Posted : 11 December 2007 10:40:00(UTC)
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#2 Posted : 11 December 2007 10:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
It smacks of health and safety being used to justify a decision made for other reasons. Unless the true reason is established, H & S will take another unjustified beating.

Paul
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#3 Posted : 11 December 2007 11:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By alan noble
Maybe it was because it was a band, you could have someone's eye out with a slide trombone!
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#4 Posted : 11 December 2007 11:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Julian Wilkinson
If there was a sound legitimate reason the store manager would have spoken to the band himself and not sent a store security guard to do the dirty deed.

It seems to me the term health & safety is being used to easily as an excuse especially when they don't give the reason for implying h&s grounds
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#5 Posted : 11 December 2007 11:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By AlB
I think this says it all.....

"The feeling of our bass player was that they merely wanted more space for the poinsettia display - because that is what they moved in when we left"

Yet its the H&S profession that has to carry the can.
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#6 Posted : 11 December 2007 11:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tarquin Farquor
Could someone from the IOSH press office contact Tesco and ask them for some details regarding this?

http://www.tescocorporate.com

TF
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#7 Posted : 11 December 2007 12:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
This is certainly one worth following up with Tescos.

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#8 Posted : 11 December 2007 12:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sally
Only possible genuine hazard I can think of is noise - what is the volume of a brass band?

And that still isn't a reason for a wholesale ban.
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#9 Posted : 11 December 2007 12:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lee Mac
Where will it all end? Food for Jeremy C and the likes.

A law must be brought in to address people who are using H&S inappropriately- what should the sentence be though??- Any thoughts??

Not sure if Tescos have implemented a ban though as we enjoyed a local special needs school choir in a tesco branch here in Derry, Northern Ireland.


Lee
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#10 Posted : 11 December 2007 13:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By I H
Interesting to note the comments of those viewing the article on the website itself. Seems most of the Joe Public realise this is nothing to do with health and safety and more to do with Tesco profits.

Is it worth involving IOSH when clearly public opinion thinks this is a profit issue hiding behind a H&S issue?
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#11 Posted : 11 December 2007 13:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins
I particularly liked this comment under the article.

"For Health and Safety reasons I do not think that I wil be shopping at Tescos again"

It does indeed seem that the majority of people who've commented realise that H&S is not a valid excuse.
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#12 Posted : 11 December 2007 13:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brigham
Why not ask Tesco's H&S department for a comment? Surely someone in their safety team is a member of IOSH and reads this Forum.
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#13 Posted : 11 December 2007 14:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Julian Wilkinson
There should be a law or something that makes you have refer to legislation, guidance or acop if you are going to use health and safety as a grounds for justification.

Perhaps this then would stop the drivel or an over zealous appointed person calling for conkers to be banned!
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#14 Posted : 11 December 2007 14:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Can't do that Julian,

That would be health & safety over-regulation!

I can see the headline now...

"Elf'n'safety bans banning carols for elf'n'safety reasons."
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#15 Posted : 11 December 2007 14:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
Jonathan,
No it will be "Tesco's get brassed off with local band"!
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#16 Posted : 11 December 2007 15:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Longworth
I reckon this is all a misunderstanding. When the Tesco manager said "I want that banned in future" what he actually said was "I want that band in future" meanining he was enjoying the show. Some people are just too touchy.
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#17 Posted : 11 December 2007 16:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Worth
i>"Another shopper hit out, saying: "The only health and safety problem in that store are the people who can't push a trolly straight. The music added a bit of Christmas atmosphere."/i>

HMMMM maybe if that's the only health and safety problem Tesco have then maybe we should get them to give us all some advice :)
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#18 Posted : 11 December 2007 16:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By MR
Maybe the store manager carried out a risk assessment and the findings were that the band were just too rubbish to subject his customers and staff to.......
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#19 Posted : 11 December 2007 17:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Duell
I'm getting paranoid now (see the Times thread last week) - I tried to comment on this story and my posting seems to have failed to pass moderation!

There's a conspiracy against me by the press!
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#20 Posted : 13 December 2007 21:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barry Cooper
A statement by Tesco (according to the local radio) is that the manager did not ban the band, he only asked them to move away from the main entrance. They fully support bands at Christmas who collect for charity.
The band leader says they were shoved outside. So who is telling the truth?

Barry
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#21 Posted : 13 December 2007 22:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob B
Perhaps there was a risk of the conductor slipping on a grape!!!
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#22 Posted : 14 December 2007 08:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Or perhaps he needed room to put the increased price fruit and veg so that it could be put on special discount price after Christmas. As per recent stories concerning the pricing of such items.

Bob:-)
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#23 Posted : 14 December 2007 21:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By P.R
Do any supermarkets risk assess their staff pushing skips full of re-stocking items around crowded stores?
That is a real health and safety issue.
P.R
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#24 Posted : 17 December 2007 11:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Eden
I contacted Tesco and asked them to comment on the situation, they have replied with the following:
Thank you for your email.

I'm looking into your issue at the moment and I'll contact you again as soon as I have more information.

Thank you for your patience.
If you have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact us at customer.service@tesco.co.uk quoting TES4464140X.
Kind Regards
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Tesco Customer Service

So I wait with baited breath, when they get back to me, you will be the first to know
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#25 Posted : 18 December 2007 11:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Eden
As promised the long awaited reply from Tesco
Thank you for your email.

I am sorry to hear you were upset that a band was asked to stop playing in our Blackpool store. I can understand your concern.

Unfortunately, the decision ultimately rests with the manager of each store. If the band did cause an obstruction for customers entering the store, this would have to be risk assessed. If it did contravene Health and Safety legislation, the Store Manager must stop them playing in order to ensure his staff and customers can carry on in a safe manner. Had they blocked a fire exit whilst playing, it would be he who would have to explain his decision to Health and Safety Executive in the event of a fire. He would also be liable for any fine incurred on the store.

While we are sympathetic to the band, and the customers who were enjoying the performance, we must be vigilant at all times of the year.

I hope this information helps. Thank you for contacting us.

If you have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact us at customer.service@tesco.co.uk quoting TES4464140X.

Kind Regards


Ryan Fitzpatrick
Tesco Customer Service

Not very enlightening is it?
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#26 Posted : 18 December 2007 12:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tarquin Farquor

Surely the risk assessment would have been undertaken prior to the band arriving and setting up to ensure that they would not block fire exits.

It would seem that they don't know why themselves. A definitive response would be good.

I usually do my xmas / new year drinks and food shopping at Tesco, however after this story I decided to exercise my consumer prerogative and shopped at a rival supermarket that had a school choir singing in the store. Very nice atmosphere indeed.

TF

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#27 Posted : 18 December 2007 12:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ghaam
Of course you did advise Ryan Fitszpatrick you would post his responce publicly
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#28 Posted : 18 December 2007 13:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tarquin Farquor
Ghaam / Moderators,

I would have thought that the response from Tesco to Mark Eden is, unless copyrighted or marked private and confidential, able to be posted publicly on this web site.

It would be a natural assumption by the issuing organisation that if they did not wish the information to be available publicly they would mark it accordingly.

After all, as IOSH frequently state, this is a public site.

As such can Marks posting be reinstated.

Regards,

TF
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