Posted By Robert K Lewis
HSE date is 1999. Everything built beyond Jan 2000 is therefore asbestos free in HSE view. Although rare instances may exist, but these are discountable.

Bob

Posted By Robert K Lewis
Paul

Unfortunately too many organisations take it to be 1995 but the prohibition was on supply, but not installation, at that time. Existing stocks of material continued to be used.

Bob

Posted By Doug Kelly
Paul

This has been discussed before but:

In brief outline:

Asbestos (Prohibitions) Regulations 1985 - prohibited import, supply and use of crocidolite and amosite (grunerite), prohibited asbestos spraying, prohibited asbestos insulation

1988 - prohibition of paints, varnishes with some exceptions

1992 - prohibition on supply and use of certain products containing chrysotile, including textured coating

1999 - import, supply and use of products containing chrysotile, with some 'scheduled' derogations e.g. safety-critical applications


These applications allowed certain types of manufactured products to be installed where no suitable/safe asbestos-free product was available. The schedule to the 1999 Regs should be consulted for precise information - you can do a search for this on the OPSI website.

Posted By Adrian Watson
Paul,

The reality is that the prohibition regulations lagged behind years behind practice.

The asbestos industry within the UK virtually collapsed overnight in 1980. Consequently, asbestos insulation board was not manufactured after 1980. However, some asbestos cement products were still manufactured and imported until around 1990. However in both cases old stock would have been available and used.

Pragmatism suggests that AIB was not used after 1985 and cement products after 1994. You will of course find exceptions to the rule.

Regards Adrian Watson

Posted By Adrian Watson
JPK,

Please elucidate. What, when and where?

Regards Adrian Watson

Posted By Doug Kelly
Dave

Repeal of the '99 Regs by CAR06 would not have prevented use of the 'derogated' items until then. I thought Paul's query was about history rather than present status.

Posted By Bruce Sutherland
Hi Adrian

Survey of student accommodation - Loughborough Uni

building gutted back to shell in 2002 -

I found asb in the following
new stair nosings - chrysotile

new porchey bits to make the refurb look pretty - AC verge packing - chrysotile

obviously no one told the world vinyl market not to put it in or the roofers that they should stop using it for verge packing

obviously risk is minimal and the point is anorakishly made ......but......

I would also point out that there were not inconsequential amounts of chrysotile imported into the UK in the 1990's according to figures I have seen

Cheers

Bruce

Posted By Bruce Sutherland
The ACM was all newly installed - nothing to do with the fact that it was a refurbishment - I think you will find that there are many many instances of this type of situation.

For example we know of a large contractor who had to turn 2 loads of slate away becasue they realised it was asbestos artificial slate.

Regards

Bruce

Posted By Bruce Sutherland
Hi Robert

I really do not think that ALU has time to deal with things like this - if you look at the risk that has been created then it is not high. Whilst I agree in principle one of the issues is how do your deal with product imported on a world basis - for example if the BS for vinyl in the UK used to have chrysotile as an ingredient why would countries that still mine asbestos and have a vinyl industry not use it - and why would a UK buyer even think that it may be coming in - Steve Shutler who many will know from a lab he ran in the Midlands has a really good link to a CNN newsreel about asb in common products like duct tape!!

I do find it strange that a country like the USA has such as relaxed attitude to the issue -perhaps it is because it is in the soil!!! Adrian may know the answer - and why do they treat lead paint like that / or more importantly why do we not ..... risk or commerce?

I think you will find that most UKAS Inspection Bodies will have similar tales to this and that if you take the incidence of AIB in buildings post 1985 then it is an issue but not necessarily a huge issue.

Regards

Bruce

Posted By Josh Scogin
It must also be noted that buildings as late as 2005 can contain asbestos materials. The materials i have identified in buildings of this nature have all been in situations where the material has been moved from another building.

For example - Ironing boards that contain a cement heat plate.

Safes which contain AIB / cement linings.

And even cement or lagged water tanks have been moved into modern buildings.

its seems as though this situation crops up when a company moves to another building, and take the ACMs with them.

regards

Posted By Josh Scogin
Bob

firstly i do not want to alarm you, these are rare cases HOWEVER your claim of "2000 is irrelavant" stands, in my eyes. I forgot to mention that roof tiles to a 2002 building have been identified as chrysotile aswell.

This is definately an issue that is not correctly legislated by the HSE in my opinion. Property owners hear this 2000 date thoery , and therefore do not feel the need to proceed with a "duty to manage" attitude towards asbestos containing materials.

A very good subject to discuss

regards