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Posted By M Forbes
Hey im 19 and recently done my NEBOSH General Certificate and passed with a credit, before i was even issued with my certificate i was employed in a multinational oil company as a trainee QHSSE Advisor. They have put me through all sorts of basic courses such as Risk Assessment, Manual Handling, Fire Warden, First Aid etc etc.
What i want to know is what could i do to further my H&S qualifications int he oil and gas industry that would not interfere with my full time job?
Is there anything? Ive looked into doing the NEBOSH Diploma but i live in Grampian - Scotland and there is nowhere for aobut 80 miles that provide the course.
Any help appreciated
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Posted By Darren (Daz) Fraser
Have you considered distance learning, this may not suit everyone.
Alternatively you may wish to consider going down the NVQ route, and develop a portfolio which may be more suitable considering you are already employed in a safety role, and the assessor visits you.
Which ever you decide , good luck.
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Posted By Stuart Hamilton
Look at the links for course that give graduate membership - you could utilise the distance learning options given by a number of the universities/ colleges.
I have known present and past team members to have attended Stevenson College and Strathclyde University.
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Posted By M Forbes
Thanks for the Replies, i have heard a few people mention distance learning, but im not actually familiar with what that is. . . and the NVQ Qualifications, which ones should i study?
Cheers
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Posted By Linda Westrupp
Distance learning is normally undertaken using printed material and (more and more) by e-learning methods. You would be assigned to a tutor who is usually available by phone (or video conferencing if that is possible)and to whom you send assignments etc. If you are not very disciplined it can be hard but some people find it the best method of learning for them as you go at your own speed (within reason of course), and study at times that suit you.
NVQ route is, in some ways, similar, and often uses printed material to give you the core knowledge, you then construct a portfolio of evidence that you have met the requirements. Again you would be assigned an assessor who is there to advise and assist you in your portfolio construction. If you look under 'about membership' on this site there is some useful information about what level you might want to go for in NVQ.
If you choose distance learning you might want to look at the Nebosh Diploma but again look at the membership site for ideas.
Good luck in your chosen profession and in whichever route you opt for.
Linda
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Posted By M Forbes
Thanks, thats very helpfull. My problem however is - i've never had to study for anything in my life. I do realise for the diploma I will have to study, but committing myself to studying without any pressure to do so will be a problem for me.
My NEBOSH I fell asleep many times in class, my tutor actually suggested i shouldnt really bother coming back and yet i passed with a credit, ive always been able to pick up on things very quickly, but ive always had someone drilling it into me. This will be a problem, but i suppose if its the only route ill have to go for it.
Thanks again for your advice.
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Posted By AlisonSM
Having done the PG Cert in Health and Safety Risk Management at Strathclyde, I would recommend that as the course notes are excellent. It does however require a LOT of will power on the old studying front (they "suggest" 12 hours per week but that's a conservative estimate!). The trick is not to fall behind! Basically you would need to write about 120, 500 word essays on a variety of topics from ergonomics to the the history of H&S (with everything in between!). In addition, there are 3 longer assignments of about 2500 words on a given topic such as Human Error. When I did it (a few years ago) there was also a group exercise where you had to write a report with input from fellow students - contacting them by e-mail..not sure if they still do this though!
I started in September and the first month or so was OK..Christmas was a nightmare as you have to study when everyone else is out having fun!? However, the course finished in May so it wasn't too bad so well worth the effort. You need to pass a percentage of essays to pass the course but you have a tutor assigned to you that can provide support and advice if required [you e-mail them your essays each week / month and they will send out a reminder if you forget or miss one].
Aberdeen Uni used to do a Masters in Ergonomics but that course ended several years ago - may be worth contacting them to see if they have anything safety related.
I would try and get some backing from your employer though as you'll need the time to study (even if they don't pay for the course, a day study leave each week can come in handy if you still want to hit the pubs at the weekend...I studied at Aberdeen back in 2003 or so - it's a cracking city for the olde pub crawl!!)
Good luck and congratulations on getting a job in safety..it's an "interesting but frustrating" at time career!
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Posted By AlisonSM
Forgot to add, once you do the PG cert you can go on to do the Diploma then M.Sc. - all distance learning which would allow you to do continous study at one University...
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Posted By Steve Cartwright
RRC do the NEBOSH Diploma via distance learning. You can contact tutor's via email or telephone. Very helpful, also attending a revision workshop. It worked for me. Personally I would choose academic route i.e. Diploma or Degree.
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Posted By Ian Waldram
Just be aware that Aberdeen Uni safety-related MSc's aren't accredited by IOSH because they don't cover all the required syllabus. I think some of the RGU ones are though.
At your age and experience an MSc is probably a step too far - but there are lots of experienced IOSH members locally who should be willing to guide you. Unfortunately some upstream companies don't value IOSH qualifications, but in many you will find experienced IOSH corporate members (CMIOSH or CFIOSH). Even if you are not a member you can attend local meetings and talk to the NofS Branch Education Development Advisor, Paul Cormack (see details under 'branches' to the left). You should also try to link in with Step Change meetings, details on their website.
Good luck with trying to decide what to do next. Your job will probably provide lots of practical experiences, but to become a competent OSH professional you need to also learn the theory, and most people who tackle that find the Diploma or a Degree is a big step up from the Certificate, in terms of being able to clearly communicate in written format all the key points about hazards, risks and controls.
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Posted By Bob Youel
Rapid Results College or similar establishment by distance learning
best of luck
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Posted By Kevin D Forbes
or u could just blag your way through like me little bro
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Posted By M Forbes
Haha, hey big bro.
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Hang on there, take a step backwards. You say you are 19 years old, without being rude or anything take a tipfrom an old codger like me,I'm 57 years old and thinking how on earth do I get out of this. Take a tip, gain some knowledge of how the rest of the world does things as well as getting all the titles and names after your name. Get real, that's how most people will judge you, and I don't mean flit from one job to another just to get a fuller CV. Don't be afraid toask someone who is older and possibly more experienced at the real world blend that with your knowledge and you will get real experience,worth more than a couple of letters behind your name.
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Just thought I should say that was not meant as a still wet behind the ears thing; it's great that young people are getting into safety field the more the better as that will prevent bad habits becoming the norm. Try some career guidance,it will help.
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Posted By M Forbes
Bob,
With all due respect im employed as a QHSSE Advisor For a multinational oil firm. I think this position will more than cover the experiance grounds over the next few years, but what im looking for is ways to further my H&S knowledge eg enviromental courses, diplomas, masters degree, FRA Courses.
I am very keen on getting the letters after my name as the more letters you have after your name, the bigger the pay cheque.
Regards
M Forbes
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Posted By Malcolm Hogarth
All right, i'll put my head above the parapet and ask the question...... is this a wind up?
(I did just check to see whether the initial query was put out on a Friday)
If it is a wind up I guess you deserve a bit of credit. If not, take on board the sage advice.
Malcolm
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Posted By 247hero
Has to be a wind up. If it's not, i'm switching threads before I say something I'll regret
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Ex Green Beret so I don't mind sticking my head above the trench.
Good on you, you young wipper snapper, its good to get young blood into the industry but remember you have to learn to run before you can walk mate, do not make rash decisions and always ask and then ask again, as in this business the young / middle / old H&S bod DOES NOT have a monopoly on the good ideas.
You cannot do all your learning from books it has to be on the ground learning from more experienced people, it's the only way you will progress.
So in 20 years you going to be the 'Safety God' of the petro chemical industry?
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Posted By M Forbes
A wind up? . . . .why would it be a wind up?
And as for the last poster, i'd really like to hope so, im sure the god of the petro-chemical industry is on an excellent wage :P
And i realise that the road of health and safety is a constant learning process, hence im interested in this profession. I learn things easily and find things that others would find boring interesting. . . i realise i have a LOT to learn and that qualifications cannot be compared to experiance. However i'm in an occupation which is supplying me tonnes of experiance.
I'm only looking of ways of improving my knowledge, as the way Health and Safety is regulated at the moment may not always be the norm and there will probably become a point where the qualifications i am considering at the moment will be a standard requirement throughout the industry. Therefore might aswell do them whilst i get the chance. Plus my employer will likely pay for them. So it's a win win.
Regards
M Forbes
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Posted By Katrina McGuire
The University of Portsmouth also does an MSc in Occupational and Environmental Health and Safety Management, have a look on their website or contact me directly if I can help. I also understand that NEBOSH are piloting a 'Certificate in Health and Safety for the Oil and Gas Industry', you could contact NEBOSH directly for more information.
Katrina
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Posted By Malcolm Hogarth
This is why I think it just might be a wind up. No comment on the poor punctuation....
Re: Further education in H&S
Posted by Kevin D Forbes on Thursday, 17 January 2008 at 11:26
or u could just blag your way through like me little bro
Re: Further education in H&S
Posted by M Forbes on Thursday, 17 January 2008 at 11:29
Haha, hey big bro.
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Posted By M Forbes
Well the reason i got into this occupation was because of my older brother Kevin, who posted above. He's been a H&S Advisor/Officer for the last 3-4 years. Who also advised me to sit my NEBOSH General Certificate.
So no it's not a wind up, and as for his grammer i don't know. He could possibly be rubbish at english, i've never really seen him writing anything.
Anyway Kevs my older brother (24) whos offshore at the moment, he posted a sarcastic comment saying i just "blagged" my way into the job and i just thought i'd say hey lol.
Regards
M Forbes
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Posted By Dave Wilson
It doesn't matter how you got there, you are there and seem to be a very driven chap and good luck matey.
Just heed what you are being told and learn learn and then learn and "Hello god" all I can say is go for it!
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Posted By M Forbes
Haha, cheers Dave.
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Posted By MT
Martin, ASET, which is part of Aberdeen College run the NEBOSH diploma course. Is that too far away for you?
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Posted By M Forbes
Yes and no, i live 40 miles north of aberdeen, but i work in Dyce which is 2 miles from Aberdeen. Therefore i could probably go after my work and just be really tired. . . . However i phoned up aberdeen university who said they no longer do the diploma only the general certificate. . . sounds like something work looking into. Thanks for the advice.
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Posted By Coshh Assessor
Distance learning takes a huge amount of motivation and discipline as well as sheer time and effort, and the Nebosh Diploma is a big commitment to take on if you don't have experience of distance learning. I suggest trying a smaller (and cheaper) distance learning course in any subject first to see if you are cut out for distance learning - not everybody is.
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