Posted By Michael Battman No. Surely, the whole point of the client's signature is to confirm that they are aware of their duties. If the CDM-C signs it; how does the client prove they are aware of the duties?

Posted By Mike Charleston I hold a long-standing CDM-C role with a client who expects that, all other things being equal, I will be involved with a series of projects over several years. They are all small-scale but that's not the point. He sat with me and explored the CDM07 issues to my satisfaction and is entirely aware of what they require of him as a client. We came to the conclusion that it was administratively more convenient for me to sign F10's on his behalf, so we agreed a form of words that recognise his duty but delegates responsibility to me as CDM-C. Any use of this delegated responsibility is naturally followed through with an emailed copy of the relevant F10. We use an equivalent F10 format and word-processed signature so that it can easily be converted to .pdf format (again for our own convenience). Not a bomb-proof system but certainly suitable and sufficient by my assessment; certainly sufficient for the HSE to have raised no objections to date. So where's the problem? Mike

Posted By Robert K Lewis The regulations are specific - the F10 is signed by or on behalf of the client. In spite of the smoke screen created by many this means that the CDMC can sign the F10 but there are two essential conditions for the CDMC to consider: 1) CDMC must be confident that the client is aware of his duties 2) The client has agreed to him undertaking the signature on his behalf. I know that at one time the HSE attempted to subvert the meaning of "by or on behalf of" to mean only the client or an employee can sign. The legal precedents for the meaning of the phrase have been well affirmed in other areas of law and the HSE now recognise that their attempted changes to meaning were not supportable in court. No competent CDMC will place his organisation at risk by signing for an unknown, to him, client but equally many have longstanding close relationships with some client organisations and these pose no risk in providing the signature. Bob

Posted By Robert K Lewis MAK Just remember I can be expensive!!!!:-) :-) ;-) Bob