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#1 Posted : 16 January 2008 13:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Bellis Hi Has anyone carried out a study at all or have any data as to the probability of a catastrophic failure of a transformer in a substation environment. This is in regard to carrying out a risk assessment for operatives working near to (not on) an energised transformer for short periods. Any info would be appreciated on any size Tx or any examples of such failure would be interesting. thanks
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#2 Posted : 16 January 2008 13:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob Campbell Hi Paul, I'd be interested to see any info you get about this, as the company i'm currently working for is mainly involved with utilities including close proximity to substations. This particular situation has never come up before (to my knowledge) Of course if i find anything i will share it. Thanks. Rob
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#3 Posted : 16 January 2008 14:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis This link is to an Australian report of a transformer explosion. http://www.energy.com.au...substation+fire+main.pdf Fire followed by explosion is the normal route to the best of my knowledge. Thus managing fire risks seem to be the obvious control measure. Certainly if there is a catstrophic explosion those close by will suffer major injury and death. Minor failures can lead to fire so these must be anticipated and fire precautions be available immediately in the work area - not in the compound or elsewhere. Bob
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#4 Posted : 16 January 2008 14:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By M Forbes Funny story here, A good few years back, I was staying with my grandma after my grandad died, we were watching tv late at night and the news was on about the Iraq war, and how they believe he has nuclear weapons and is willing to use them. In the middle of the news the whole house went into darkness, there was a bright blue flash, a loud explosion and i literally got thrown from the seat to the floor. We managed to find some candles and go outside, to find all the other neighbours standing in the street. I personally was looking around for a mushroom cloud lol. Turns out across the road was a power transformer, attached to a neighbours house which had exploded. Never really understood the dangers of them until that day, prior to that i use to climb into the transformers and me and my mates would do ridiculously stupid stuff like stand on the transformer and touch the most dangerous looking pieces. Lucky for me it was obviously designed for "probing kids". Regards M Forbes
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#5 Posted : 16 January 2008 14:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert. Depends on the work near the Tx and if there is a chance that the TX or power cables can be damaged, tampered with etc insomuch that the cooling oil is delberately drained or the cooling vanes punctured or the whole thing vandalised to steal copper, alluminium etc. Stuff like that can cause the sub to overheat and then subsequently explode. That, then is devastiating, so check security.
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#6 Posted : 16 January 2008 14:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mitch Try contacting Brush Switchgear or Brush Transformers of Loughborough, part of the FKI group, they are very helpful.
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#7 Posted : 16 January 2008 14:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Bellis Thanks Mitch -will do. what I am looking it is routine entry by authorised persons in the subs -nor working directly on any tx items -but conducting other routine works -and happen to be near the tx. I would asses the likelihood as being low (of a tx catastrophic failure) at this point - but looking for data to back this up -obviously they would be conducting an on site RA before entry - looking for signs of distress or any unusual sounds/smells etc - all equipment serviced and maintained, all FRA and other assessments in place. If the outcome of the RA is high -then perhaps I will be looking at erecting a blast mesh/screen where appropriate, but at present I feel its a LOW risk of a TX explosion -unless anyone knows anything else?
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#8 Posted : 16 January 2008 14:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mitch No prob's any problems contact me direct I have a contact
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#9 Posted : 16 January 2008 19:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By R Joe You could try ENA (Energy Networks Association), DTI engineering branch (failures reported to them) and HSE (local electrical inspector - ditto). Won’t the substation owner have assessed this both from an operative and public safety, and security of supply perspective, and have information about Tx hours of use Vs failures underpinning their approach to maintenance?
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#10 Posted : 16 January 2008 21:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rich E Hi, The company I work for manufactures transformers (and all the other bits) and I have very rarely heard of any real problems with them when in service. The worst case I came across was a couple of guys killed when leaking oil ignited, but as far as I can gather they were working on it at the time (I don't know who's tx it was). The dangerous bits are those on the HV and LV sides, but in modern subs everything should be fully screened. There are probably a lot of older indoor subs with 'open' type LV gear which is particularly dangerous, most new subs are 'packages' where all three bits are connected together to form one unit. In the case that workers are accessing a sub for other reasons than to access the HV or LV equipment, then the transformer should not pose any threat. Of course it all depends on the particular site and the type of work being done, I have been to some subs which were dangerous in their own right, with big holes and trenches to fall down, and poor access / egress in the case of emergency. If you are looking for some specific information I may be able to get it. Chances are the Tx's are ours anyway. Regards Rich
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#11 Posted : 16 January 2008 22:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By G M The risk of a transformer or any electrical plant in a substation suffering a catastrophic failure is very very low. As an example Utility companies will ‘happily’ carry out major refurbishments involving dozens of people on site for months at a time with transformers etc still live. As part of the employees training to ensure competence for accessing the substation they will have been advised of how to work safely in that environment. The main point is to spend as little time as you need to in the site and be aware of anything unusual (sounds, smells etc). Beware of any stats that you do get as most failures of kit that I am aware of usually occur shortly after installation or maintenance. Another way to look at it is that if the transformer did suddenly and catastrophically fail it would probably destroy everything within a 100m of it so any measures you could implement would be useless anyway! What kind of work is it that you are going to carry out? A more significant risk is something like induced voltage which has unfortunately caused several deaths over the past few years.
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#12 Posted : 17 January 2008 12:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By mark gough2 Hello Paul I work for the HSE as an electrical inspector and would be quite happy with your approach i.e check for any unusual noises smells etc before entry to substations. What I would ask is what routine work do the authorised people do? Is it related to the sub station i.e changing lights,topping up batteries if so no problem. If its a spare storage area or extention of another work activity then it is definatly not acceptable. The risk of failure is very low but the consequences very high. As was pointed out shields would not offer any protection. Also familiarity breads complacency and there are other risks already outlined damage to equipment inadvertent/deliberate switching of equipment, over heating (Ive seen stationary stored on the tops of transformers apparently keeps it dry and photocopier likes warm paper!!) In short access should be restricted by a locked door to authorised competent persons that need to do maintenance/ inspection work in the substation. (I assume HV but all distribution systems should have adequate space lighting and restricted access)
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#13 Posted : 17 January 2008 20:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Garry Homer I have spent decades working alongside transformers without a worry as the chance of one going bang while you are there is very remote. I think I was at a higher risk driving to the substations! Apart from being suitably trained for the usual hazards and logged on to site so if there is a problem on the network, it will not be re energised before you confirm you are outside the substation. You need to use your senses, sight, smell, touch, hearing. The tank should look a regular shape - no bulges or damage to the cooling fins. No oil spill. Nothing should smell hot - hot paint aroma, hot oil etc. If there is a sweet smell be take care as the transformer or some other equipment could contain PCBs so ask the owner. Transformer tanks or connection boxes should not be hot to touch. You get used to the transformer noise so you should notice a change in tone or a completely different noise - never a bubbling noise. Sometimes the noise can be simply a metal ownership label that is loose! - No ticking noises associated with spark discharges. Large transformers have automatic voltage regulation equipment fitted to them that changes the winding ratios using a switching device. These can be very noisy and may startle you if you have never been near one before. Takes a few seconds for the hum to steady after one of these operates. All that said, if it goes wrong, it will be a bloody big bang with hot oil etc spilling forth. An uncontrolled release of heat, light and sound. I have seen a few twisted remains but an investigation usually reveals a cause. If the maintenance is good, then perhaps you will not have a problem. The 'few' is from a system containing thousands. Stats used to be logged by the Electricity Association but that has now disappeared. We used to get feedback on suspect equipment from a national database of incidents or things found during maintenance. If a warning was issued against certain equipment, then access to subs with that gear was halted until everything was inspected. Incidents had only to be reported to the DTi etc if debris was ejected beyond the perimeter of the substation. If the substation contained all the blast material then it was not reportable to the DTi.
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#14 Posted : 18 January 2008 10:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Bellis Thanks for the advice everyone -its appreciated, it is low risk routine work I was considering mostly all Risk assessed etc -no unsavoury items etc are stored in all the subs we enter there is no history of failure, its just an area to consider as part of the overall RA process, to gather data to enable me to quantify as I thought likelihood low but consequences high, result sensible precautions as outlined! cheers
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#15 Posted : 18 January 2008 10:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Garry Homer Just to add a little more. If someone turns up to do some switching, then leave the building. Switchgear only usually goes bang when operated, unless the roof is leaking and water has found its way into the switchgear! Garry
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#16 Posted : 18 January 2008 15:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Petrie I would guess that working near an Autobot would be OK, however I would want controls in place if working near a Decepticon (they're very naughty robots). Sorry, couldn't resist.
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#17 Posted : 18 January 2008 16:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven n About time too I wondered how long it would be!!!
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