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Posted By Richard Ingman
We have a problem with people not starting work on time. They are onsite, but insist on waiting until dead on their startime before changing into overalls and work boots. I have told them I need them ready to work from 8am.
Any opinions, ponters or just general help?
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Posted By 9-Ship
I can never recall this being a problem in any of the places I have worked.
Sure on site at department of work by agreed start time. Getting changed at the begining of the day and washing up and changing back at the end of the day should be done as part of the agreed work period i.e. people are paid for it.
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Posted By Pete Longworth
Let's say that the start time was 08:00 and someone regularly "clocked in" at 08:00. Would you consider that he /she was late for work? Would you consider it reasonable to ask this person to put his / her PPE on at home and maybe drive to work in full PPE? As has been said, donning PPE is part of the work period, any time before the work period starts is the employee's own time.
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Posted By Richard Ingman
Thanks for the replys so far - Maybe I was a little unclear - a pair of boots and a bib and brace overall should not take 15 minutes to put on?
The advice our employment lawyer has given to us is that they should be ready to start work at the allocated time. It is clearly not really an issue, just a childish way to get back at the company after a timekeeping clampdown.
I have never expererienced it either in over 20 years in the world of work.
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Posted By GT
Richard,
I am not sure this is a HSE issue more likely belongs HR.
Just my view
GT
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Posted By Richard Ingman
As PPE is clearly a H&S issue I was assuming its management and facilitation may be covered by some legislation.
My apologies if you feel I am barking up the wrong tree!
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Posted By Brett Day
Richard, if required an employer must provide PPE - from what you have said that appears to be happening.
If required employers must wear PPE, also from what you have said this appears to be happening.
From what I know the regs do not stipulate when or how long it should take to put on PPE.
I would suggest like other posters that this is a HR issue, especially from the comment about a backlash after a time keeping clampdown.
Playing the 'elf n safety card will only serve to diminish the importance of genuine safety rules within the workplace.
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Posted By M Forbes
Not a health and safety problem, but the solution would be to put a clock in box in the work area, and not allowing people to enter the work area without the specified PPE.
Just a thought
Regards
M Forbes
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Posted By Sally
As others have said, not specifically a H&S problem but check (or get HR to) that it isn't written into their contract - I know of some industries where it is.
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Posted By Philip Beale
As someone who works on the shop floor it's a fight you will never win if you get them started dead on 8.00am they will get the time back else where.
Are you just applying this to shop floor workers or do office staff have there computers switched on and folders open at there start time. how many meetings start dead on office hours? how many office people spend their day flicking between websites.
For me monitoring what a production work turns out can be measured so any time he isn't working can give a clear loss in money but sadly the same isn't applied to office workers as they don't turn out a product that can be sold.
Phil
P.S. also as other have said not H&S issues so don't point the finger at H&S as a reason they have to be ready to start at 8.00am
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