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#1 Posted : 29 January 2008 08:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By TomP Just a quick sanity check... Twice now people have suggested they are being told to bend their backs in training courses and that 'bend your knees and keep your back straight' is old news.... Wouldn't really worry about it but one of them was someone who went on a BT manual handling course. Is there new guidance I've missed out on?
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#2 Posted : 29 January 2008 09:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By andy bee I was taught to keep the back in its natural position.
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#3 Posted : 29 January 2008 09:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By ColinPink Hello If you read RR097 - The principles of good manual handling: Achieving a consensus. It mentions moderate flexion being preferable to fully squatting or stooping. But you have to read the whole thing to get the picture. Plus have a look at "Getting to grips with manual handling" the little picture during the lift demonstration shows a slightly bent figure. There is also new research to show that manual handling training is not nearly as effective as doing a decent risk assessment and reducing the other risk factors involved in the action. Hope that helps Colin
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#4 Posted : 29 January 2008 10:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By steve e ashton Tom: Its NOT NEW!. The 'back straight, knees bent' mantra came from an ill-informed study of still photographs of people moving stuff - specifically munitions during WWII. The truth is that those people who were doing it properly (and you need to speak with Doug Payne at RoSPA if he's still around) are looking at 'kinetics' - i.e. its a movement - and anyone moving anything goes through a variety of postures - including, at some point, having a 'relatively' straight back BUT that is not the key to safe MOVEMENT. Human Kinetic is far more involved than simply reciting the mantra of knees bent back straight chin in..... Is the glass half full or half empty? It depend where it is.... In my mouth its half empty. Under the optic its half full. E Mail off line if you would like further detail. Steve
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#5 Posted : 29 January 2008 10:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chas L23 the HSE's guidance on the MHO Regulations says moderate flexion (slight bending) of the back is OK (ref page 42). Hope this helps.
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#6 Posted : 29 January 2008 12:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kevin Drum I am currently a ROSPA manual handling trainer and assesor and the general advice id to bend the knees and keep the back in its natural s curve as you lift. One of the resons you raise your head slightly prior to lifting as this helps put back into it's natural curve. Hope this helps
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#7 Posted : 29 January 2008 12:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris G A friend recently came back from a manual handling training course with comments about being told to bend the back. The example demonstraited to me was rather more than slight flexion.. & this was from a major rail industry company (won't name to avoid removal from thread). Had I seen some one lifting in this manner at work I would be getting out the near miss forms. Chris G.
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#8 Posted : 29 January 2008 13:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By TomP Thanks for all the help everyone.Useful document suggested which i haven't seen before (RR097). Good bed time reading. In my initial post I mentioned keep the back straight but I do suggest some flexion in my training and focus around the neutral curves in the spine and maintaining the lordotic (theres a big word) nature of the lumbar spine but my concern is the same as Chis G in the previous post. The candidate was told to 'bend' their back. When they showed me the extent I was horified.
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