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#1 Posted : 29 January 2008 10:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By MPB
I've been going around in circles trying to locate a definitive, accepted definition of a safety adviser's role, in particular the duty to advise line managers on how they should manage safety as it is not the job of the safety adviser! I am aware of previous threads (which i have perused) and the only real text would appear to be in HSG65 page 31 inset 9 'Role and function'.

I am aware that the topic is often spoke about, but an article (or two) that i can quote would be excellent.

Thank you in advance, MPB.
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#2 Posted : 29 January 2008 11:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap
I was asked this question a few months ago during a disciplinary. I replied to advise managers on matters relating to health and safety. I got dismissed. I still don't know exactly what i did wrong. I think the new safety manager is going to get his friends in
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#3 Posted : 29 January 2008 11:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
What are the duties/responsibilities of a professional Health & Safety Adviser?
I suggest that there is an excellent criteria list within the CPD performance listing for CMIOSH which should "fit" most if not all circumstances for professional advisers engaged as the employer's source of competent advice.

https://my.iosh.co.uk/my...tal_ImageS/CPD_whats.pdf

That said, the employer's perception, the job profile and description etc. might be another matter entirely!
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#4 Posted : 29 January 2008 12:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy
1 Advise on changes in the law.
2 Improve working conditions through good advice.
3 Keep the MD out of prison.
4 Be proactive
5 Be aware of changes in technology and working practices that affect safe systems.
6 Be an effective communicator.
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#5 Posted : 29 January 2008 13:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By steve e ashton
MPB: Why do you want to know - what for do you want an answer? Is it for a job description, a job evaluation, an examination question, an interview presentation, or simple cogitation and seeking after truth...? Because each situation will likely generate different answerrs. And the differences are telling when we consider the call for regulation of the profession. Any clues as to why you are 'going round in circles' may help us to provide an answer that is helpful...

Once possible answer: The Management etc regs reg 7.1: Every employer shall, subject to paragraphs (6) and (7), appoint one or more competent persons to assist him in undertaking the measures he needs to take to comply with the requirements and prohibitions imposed upon him by or under the relevant statutory provisions and by Part II of the Fire Precautions (Workplace) Regulations 1997.

Important word here is 'assist' - so not to 'do' then....

So - that's the legal definition - but a good employer (and a good safety professional) will go very much further than simply trying to achieve compliance - and that's a whole different ball game.

Steve

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#6 Posted : 29 January 2008 15:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By MPB
Thank you for the replies thus far.

Steve, the main reason for the question is that i have often heard it stated that line managers should be responsible for specific safety issues under their control and the safety adviser should be available to advise them accordingly.

Indeed CFT in a previous thread stated the same thing. It would be nice however to see it written down rather than being subjective through interpretation.
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#7 Posted : 29 January 2008 15:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Longworth
I think this is a pretty subjective area, because it is really down to what your employer expects from you. In my view the health and safety advisor is just that, an advisor. Someone who helps management to fulfill their role as managers of health and safety. However, some employers expect much more, in as much as they expect the H&S person to manage H&S for them, conducting risk assessments, accident investigations etc.
I don't believe that you will find a definitive job description anywhere but you will find a multitude of different opinions.

The bottom line is it's down to what the employer expects.
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#8 Posted : 29 January 2008 16:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By AlisonSM
Agree with Pete on this one - bit of "how long is a bit of string?!"

As one of those safety advisers, I provide;

1) Advice to staff on health and safety issues that may concern them

2) Inform management of any change in legislation that may have an impact on how the organisation is run

3) Train key staff on how to do risk assessments and conduct accident investigations

4) Be on hand to step in if those trained don't feel confident to undertake these themselves or there are problem individuals etc.

5) Write policies and liaise with the safety committee so all interested parties are informed of any changes relating to H&S e.g. new accident form, building work to be undertaken and the impact it may have on staff, accident statistics etc....

I guess it depends on the size of the company and whether there is additional support from other trained individuals or whether you are on your ownsome.
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#9 Posted : 29 January 2008 16:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs
In a good situation, the adviser will be like a personal trainer almost ... a cross between the woodwork teacher and the deputy head if you like.

You show people (managers) what to do, you guide them through the processes (like a woodwork teacher) and you make sure the processes and tools are all there for them to do their part promptly. Then you let them get on with it, looking over their shoulders occasionally - correcting them if necessary, praising them if possible. Always there to confirm instructions and give support.

You then switch to deputy head and audit them.

You report to the headmaster/headmistress anything that they are remiss on.
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#10 Posted : 29 January 2008 16:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven n
although most of the time you end up doing all the work yourself!
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#11 Posted : 29 January 2008 16:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By TomP
Heres my list which complies with the best practice bit of the RoSPA QSA audit module, which combines all the aspects of HSG65, 18001 etc.

•Formulate and develop health and safety policies
•Promote a positive health and safety culture to secure the effective implementation of the policy
•Plan for health and safety including outlining of objectives and priorities
•Work with all staff as required, assist in identifying hazards, developing risk assessments and suggesting suitable means of control
•Implement plans and control measures employing both active and reactive techniques and developing procedures for recording both
•Develop systems for reviewing performance and auditing
•Conducting audits on the safety management system
•Interpret law and implications for the organisation
•Establish professional relationships at all levels within and outside the organisation

Should possibly include 'enforcement' but this causes so much agro and crosses the line frpm adviser to manager.
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#12 Posted : 29 January 2008 16:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By TomP
Sorry. Should have been preceded by:

.....to provide health and safety advice, assistance and support to all staff. This extends to all matters relating to the discharge of their responsibilities under the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974, the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999, and all other relevant health and safety legislation.
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#13 Posted : 29 January 2008 17:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Larry Shannon

I extracted this from HSA documentation, and used it when looking for clients prior to present employment.( Irish legalisation quoted). Our inspectors respect advisors and realise that they advise, its up to clients to implement.

The Safety Advisor

The role of the safety advisor is to:

• advise the company on safety compliance
• understand the principles of the ‘duty of care’ towards people at work
• facilitate the safety consultation process
• advise on the application of the General Principles of Prevention outlined in the
Safety, Health and Welfare at Work (General Application) Regulations, 2007
• communicate safety messages to the workforce
• monitor safety on site
• monitor the safety training of staff
• influence senior managers and line managers
• initiate regular site inspections in conjunction with workers' safety representatives where appropriate
• participate in consultative structures to maximise their usefulness
• monitor all internal data on accidents
• liaise with Health and Safety Authority inspectors
• investigate accidents and prepare reports .
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#14 Posted : 30 January 2008 11:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By MPB
Thank you once more for your responses, are there any more quotable definitions before the thread slips of the page?
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#15 Posted : 30 January 2008 16:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By steve e ashton
MPB: In the light of your further clarification I would offer paragraph 50 of the HSE Guidance to the Management Regs "The appointment of such health and safety assistants or advisers does not
absolve the employer from responsibilities for health and safety under the HSW Act and other relevant statutory provisions...." In other words - its the employers (Managers / supervisors) responsibility - not the safety advisors!

Steve
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