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#1 Posted : 31 January 2008 22:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Dallow
after filling in the accident book our employer fills in an accident investigation form.

the form consists of name address on the front question and answers then from the answers the employer writes a statement out then a tick box exercise concerning first aid risk assessments etc

the only part of the investigation which the employee is given a copy of is the written statement.

As their safety rep the employer doesn't give a copy of anything

i believe they should provide me and the employee with a full copy of both the accident book and the investigation

another debate is if the employee has made a claim the employer would not allow me to view the investigation they take this from the committee regs below

Regulation 7
Inspection of documents and
provision of information
7 (1) Safety representatives shall for the performance of their functions under
section 2(4) of the 1974 Act and under these Regulations, if they have
given the employer reasonable notice, be entitled to inspect and take
copies of any document relevant to the workplace or to the employees the
safety representatives represent which the employer is required to keep by
virtue of any relevant statutory provision within the meaning of section
53(1) of the 1974 Act except a document consisting of or relating to any
health record of an identifiable individual.
(2) An employer shall make available to safety representatives the information
within the employer’s knowledge, necessary to enable them to fulfil their
functions except:

(e) any information obtained by the employer for the purpose of bringing,
prosecuting or defending any legal proceedings.

I believe that accident investigations are NOT obtained for the purpose of prosecuting or defending any legal proceedings but to simply prevent recurring of an accident

opinions please

Mike
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#2 Posted : 31 January 2008 23:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lisa_
Hi Mike,

I found myself at the angry end of a safety rep for not allowing him to take copies of accident investigation forms. It took a long time for the wounds too heal and ended up with the top union guys getting involved and threatening me with legal action for not complying with their interpretation of the regs. A very positive relationship was damaged and I hope that you do not end up in the same position as I know it is a situation that neither "side" could win.

You have the right to view these documents but not to be provided with copies. As you have rightly said they are for the prevention of accidents not to harvest claims. By reading,understanding and agreeing what action is being taken to prevent the fundamental and immediate causes you are doing exactly that. You should have been involved at the AI stage and your observations and opinions given merit.

The question remains why would you need a copy? If you make notes of the agreed actions and are diligent in "reminding" management that they need to be followed up and are actively included in part of the sign out process for the AI you have been kept fully informed and consulted with.

I had always been happy to provide copies until I had my knuckles wrapped as I felt it encouraged an honest environment. I was put in a situation of being requested to share private company information with a 3rd party. My naivity on honesty being both ways was short lived when I received the details of some of the claims that were being submitted. If a claim is processed then the solicitor will request a copy of all documentation pertaining to the case and it is left in the hands of the legal teams to fight it out.

Think what is to be gained and what could be lost by pursuing this one too hard. I was given legal advice NEVER to provide copies but to continue to work with the reps in all other ways possible,

I hope this helps.
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#3 Posted : 31 January 2008 23:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Wilson
The accident form will be filed under the data protection act (the full details of which I am not a expert!)

The employer is correct in keeping personal data under "lock and key".

However, under the consulatation with employees on H&S Regulations, the details relating to the cause of the accident would need to be presented, along with a revised hazard and risk assessment for the specific job/process etc (as appropriate), and discussions conducted with employees (or their representatives) to determine control methods to be implemented in order to prevent the accident happening again.

[It is my understanding that it is the results following the investigations, rather than the contents of the investigation procedure, that need to be made available]

Hope this helps.


Karen

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#4 Posted : 01 February 2008 07:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Richards
http://www.hse.gov.uk/wo...safetyreps/releasing.htm

Employers have a responsibility to provide information to all workers that will enable them to participate fully and effectively in any consultation about their health and safety.

Information can be provided in whatever form is most suitable, as long as it can be understood by everyone. Employers may need to make special arrangements for employees who do not understand English very well, who cannot read or who have a condition that means they need to be given information in different ways.

The information should include:

procedures to be followed in the event of an emergency, including the contact details of the people nominated by the employer to help with the implementation of those procedures;
information about the risks the employees (and others) may face, and the measures which have been put in place to ensure that the workforce is protected including any risks notified by another employer with whom a workplace is shared;
safety data sheets providing information from designers, manufacturers or suppliers of any article or substance which is being used or is proposed to be used.
Safety representatives are also entitled to see copies of any document that employers must keep under health and safety law, for example the important findings of risk assessments or information relating to occurrences of any accident, dangerous occurrence or notifiable industrial disease.

Safety representatives must be given information necessary for them to fulfil their functions, such as:

information on any proposed changes to current working practices which may affect the health and safety at work of their employees;
technical information about hazards to health and safety and the necessary precautions to stop or minimise them;
information on equipment, materials or substances which an employer issues to homeworkers;
the results of any action taken by the employer in the course of checking the effectiveness of their health and safety arrangements.
Accident book
Safety representatives are legally entitled to inspect records of accidents that employers have to keep under the Reporting of Injuries, Diseases and Dangerous Occurences Regulations 1995 (RIDDOR). The Accident Book BI510 is a valuable document that organisations can use to record accident information as part of their management of health and safety.

A tick box is included on each page of the Accident Book asking whether the injured person gives his or her consent to the disclosure of the information contained in that record to safety representatives.

The employer should:

if the injured person has ticked the tick box (and signed the form), disclose the information contained in the accident record, so far as it relates to the injured person, to safety representatives and/or representatives of employee safety;
anonymise the information if the injured person does not tick the tick box and disclose it to safety representatives and/or representatives of employee safety.
The arrangements to pass on this information should be discussed between employers, employees and/or their representatives. The aim should be to make the best possible use of this (and other) information to meet health and safety objectives. By following this approach you and your employer will not be infringing the Data Protection Act (DPA) or confidentiality law.
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#5 Posted : 01 February 2008 08:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh
Be aware that Union safety reps and representatives of employee safety (ie, non union) have different rights.

Only Union reps have the right to investigate; they do not have the right to see accident report forms, but have the right to inspect safety documents.

Bottom line though, a good safety management system will INVOLVE the rep in the investigation; all incidents will be discussed at a safety committee, and so on.

If you have demands and refusals taking place, then the safety culture is usually a problem. Unions, although sometimes a bit confrontational, can't be blamed for this. Only management can truly influence safety culture.
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#6 Posted : 01 February 2008 09:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jimmy R
There seems to be quite a lot of conflicting comments here!

Can the safety rep take a copy of the accident report and investigation report, Yes or No?
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#7 Posted : 01 February 2008 09:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh
Union reps are entitled to investigate notifiable accidents, and to inspect documents.

In my view they are not entitled to a copy of the accident report form. Inspecting documents is not the same as getting a copy.


Unison sums this up well http://www.unison.org.uk/acrobat/11191.pdf
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#8 Posted : 01 February 2008 09:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By DP
Jimmy - Yes and no. Sorry.

Yes if is allowed by the employer. No if he is not. It is the decision of the employer.

The investigation is a management tool.

The rep may be involved in the investigation process so he will have full knowledge of the contents anyway - therefore he can make his own notes and have his own investigation.





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#9 Posted : 01 February 2008 09:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian_P
In my view no.

Employees have a responsibility to control personal information in a secure and sensitive way under the data protection act. If copies of accident books are given out (even if a disclaimer is signed) then that data is no longer secure. It may fall into the wrong hands and be used for other reasons then accident investigation.

I would have no problem giving information, or letting union reps view the accident forms but I would never disclose copies.

On the subject of accident investigations - I agree their primary function is to prevent accidents but they can also help in defence of civil action - via mitigation at least. On the flip side, if not worded properly you could be handing out signed statements admitting the companies negligence!! For these reason I would be wary of issuing hard copies of these either.

Sorry if this sounds pescimistic but it you disagree, call up a defence lawyer and inform them of all the documentation you are prepared to hand over freely to a union rep.......
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