Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

IOSH Forums are closing 

The IOSH Forums will close on 5 January 2026 as part of a move to a new, more secure online community platform.

All IOSH members will be invited to join the new platform following the launch of a new member database in the New Year. You can continue to access this website until the closure date. 

For more information, please visit the IOSH website.

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Admin  
#1 Posted : 05 February 2008 11:29:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Mike. Roberts I guess Health & Safety is going to take a beating over this one! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/...th_yorkshire/7227897.stm
Admin  
#2 Posted : 05 February 2008 11:31:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Jonathan Carrick See this thread, andf the other to which it also links: http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...um=1&thread=33878&page=1
Admin  
#3 Posted : 05 February 2008 12:03:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Bryan Goldsmith 16052 Mike, I take the 'beating' was an unitentional pun on the preparation of the pancake ingredient.
Admin  
#4 Posted : 05 February 2008 12:36:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Aidan Toner This is no yolk (you also need the egg white,.. butter etc!!). And Seriously.... can someone in our PR section please respond to this one. Usual response to point out the following;. (A) A suitable and sufficient risk assessment delivers efficiencies and greater enjoyment to event participants. (B)The controls derived from a suitable/sufficient RA are quite different from the blanket controls handed down by faceless insurance bureaucrats designed to service 'Martini Events'...ie Any time, Any Place, Anywhere'. *(Have I have just Carbon Dated myself with my reference to the Collins and Rossiter Ads??) Anyway, looking forward to a suitable retort from IOSH. Wield a big, heavy pan if necessary.
Admin  
#5 Posted : 05 February 2008 12:54:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Mike Craven Sorry, but if our PR dept is to make a statement I, for one, wouldn't want them to admit liabililty on the part of the Health & Safety fraternity and make (with respect) "geeky" and "anoraky" statements along the lines that "a suitable and sufficient risk assessment delivers efficiencies and greater enjoyment to event participants"; but would prefer to point out the real reasons for this decision. I.E. Insurance requirements; lack of participants and marshals; costs of policing the event, cost of road closures, etc. And make it clear that Health & Safety is not to blame but is being used as a scapegoat. Mike
Admin  
#6 Posted : 05 February 2008 13:38:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Arran Linton - Smith I am somewhat amused by the discrepancy we now have within the press towards our profession. On one hand when we have a significant air crash at Heathrow without any loss of life and there is nothing about the success of all the safety systems, which were employed and the decades of investment which went in to developing this and the safety culture within BA, however on the other hand they appear to be quite happy to belittle and bully our profession and when we identify the errors in their research, they are not interested in correcting this. Is this something that we should now be raising with the PCC or do we just sit this out?
Admin  
#7 Posted : 05 February 2008 13:57:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Bob Shillabeer No we don't just sit this out. This is a blatent attempt by the insurance fraternity to push the blame onto Health & Safety, indicating it is H&S that is to blame. The truth is they don't want to pay out any thing in compensation so they make it very hard for those who want to undertake such fun and games as possible. There is such a thing as taking a chance through choice and this will allow the insurance company to decline the payment because the person took the chance of his own free will.
Admin  
#8 Posted : 05 February 2008 14:06:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Paul Duell It's on the BBC news website now as well. A tenner to the charity of the moderators' choice, if IOSH get the BBC to carry an amendment along the lines of "OK, it was the insurers and nothing to do with H&S".
Admin  
#9 Posted : 06 February 2008 11:01:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Roland Ellison See SHP coverage: Health and safety accusations a load of 'crepe' in pancake race row http://www.shponline.co....ame=news&article_id=7137
Admin  
#10 Posted : 06 February 2008 12:55:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Kenneth Patrick The chair of the HSC has also expressed her concern about this issue on the HSE website. In her note she says: "Given that this is an annual event, a straightforward risk assessment should have been done several years ago;" I am intrigued to know under what legislation Ripon cathedral was required to do a risk assessment for a pancake race
Admin  
#11 Posted : 06 February 2008 13:07:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Phillipe That would be The Pancake Regulations 1987 more info can be found at www.letsblamehealthandsafetyforeverythingunderthesunincludingruiningpancakeday/itsnoyolk.co.uk Phil
Admin  
#12 Posted : 06 February 2008 13:22:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Jonathan Breeze It's funny how none of the Nationals ran this headline about the fact that the pancake race did go ahead in Ripon: http://www.yorkshirepost...rove-a-breeze.3747420.jp Similarly, the didn't report on the fantastic event run outside our Mold office by Flintshire County Council (our LA enforcers of H&S) no less. Still, it provides another sponsorship opportunity for IOSH at next years event, I guess.
Users browsing this topic
Guest
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.