Posted By David Bannister An improbable chance of serious injury. What do you do with other risks of this magnitude?

Posted By Lilian McCartney I once investigated an accident where the common use was to open the door, press close and nip under it. Someone got caught under th door. They did this to save having someone there to close the door for them (they got their bikes out this way). This was of the type where you could just press it once. This was about 12 yrs ago. The door was left to operate this way but with user instructions not to go under it when it was moving i.e. someone had to be there to close it after them (there were plenty ofpeople there to do this). Sorry, I can't give too much details. Lilian

Posted By Phillipe Ian Not aware of guidance per say with regard to this type of equipment. I would imagine that they fall under a BSEN standard for design and installation etc so it might be worth having a look at this if you have access to BS. I suppose, and it has already been mentioned earlier in the thread, that if you have a concern, a simple risk assessment to justify the need for an audible alarm/bleep/buzzer etc should satisfy a reasonable approach if you are concerned about potential injury and risk of injury to employees/contractors/visitors etc. I would imagine this would be relatively inexpensive to supply and install, then you have done your job and can move onto the next job as I am sure like us all you probably have many. Regards Phil

Posted By Mike Dobson All new doors or existing doors retrofitted with powered operation must be CE marked showing they comply with the Supply of Machinery Regulations 1992, as amended. Doors manufactured in accordance with BS EN 12453: 2001 are one means of achieving this Where doors form part of the fire control measures you should consult the local Fire Authority and Local Authority Building Control Department to the ensure that they met relevant standards. Further information on specifying powered doors is freely available from the manufacturers trade association. If a door is modified or refurbished and this results in significant changes to the control or operation of the door, then the door will have to be CE marked by the person undertaking the modification or refurbishment. Examples of significant alterations that would require CE marking are: • Addition of automatic control systems • Addition of safety devices, e.g. photoelectric devices • Significant increases in the voltages of motors or control systems Examples of non-significant alterations that would not require CE marking are: • Like for like replacement, e.g. same rating of motor • Fitting a plate to make the bottom rail slope • Replacing a door leaf Hope this helps. Mike

Posted By Lilian McCartney Hi Ian, I'd replied to give a scenarios which was common practice even though it wasn't allowed. If done this way somewhere chances are it's also common practice somewhere else. So, as you say you have doors which is one press closure they could be used int he same way. I can't give details as I no longer work for them and it was investigated by the HSE as a serious injury resulted as the door got danged having the open and closed pressed quickly after each other (or that's what they thought at the time) Sorry I tried to help Lilian