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Posted By Tim
Has anyone done a comparison of the two or any other plant schemes?
I understand that a health and safety test has to be taken for CPCS, but only advisory for NPORS, is this correct?
Any assistance or comments would be appraciated,
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Posted By David Matthew
NPORS used to be part of the CPCS scheme but pulled out as I understand it as they were unhappy about the lack of emphasis on vocational qualification - have a look at their website.
Whatever path you choose be aware that many principle contractors/clients who have adopted the CPCS route will not accept cards issued by NPORS which can cause problems.
With regard to the H&S test there are plenty of views for and against it, however it is a measure and people do fail it so it can't be as easy as some people would have you believe. Personnaly I preferred it when people had to do the 1 day safety awareness as well however that seems to have gone out of the window with the touch screen test being relied on.
Hope this helps,
Regards,
David
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Posted By GeoffB4
That's my view as well. The CSCS is in effect reducing the operative knowledge of H&S by not requiring a day's H&S training. Instead they have introduced a low level test and provide a book of answers to make sure most people pass it first time.
You mention failures. The only one I know is a dozer driver who couldn't speak English. He passed it second time with the aid of some help with the pictures. He still can't speak English.
It's a nice little earner, as they say in the local vernacular.
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Posted By Tim
Don't the operators also have health and safety built into the NVQ that they will be doing as part of the CPCS?
Thanks for the replies so far
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Posted By NickyG
Yes health and safety is built into the training for any plant competency. It is not as simple as just sitting the health and safety touch screen test. Although i would admit, the health and safety side could be made a bit more advanced in the training part.
CPCS, no matter how profitable it may be, is definitely the route to go down in plant competency. NPORS from my experience can be passed by a numpty doing a supposed experience worker assessment. I suppose there will be arguments of people who know outfits passing CPCS experienced workers without much assessments. We use a very reputable training centre, on the CPCS route, and we do quite regularly have failings due to lack of safety knowledge on a machine.
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Posted By Tim
Nicky, Thanks for that very useful
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Posted By GeoffB4
And yet Nicky, it is NPORS who do a full day H&S training as part of the requirement for their cards. It's just that the MCG has a lot more weight ..............
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Posted By Tim
I have been trying to get information on the NRORS training, including by an email, they never replied to me, does anyone have a set of H&S topics covered by NPORS scheme?
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Posted By NickyG
Geoff, regarding: NPORS FULL DAY health and safety training....
Really?
Never, ever, in my experience. The cowboy assessors far outweigh the competent ones it would seem from my experience.
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Posted By GeoffB4
Yes Nicky, really. I've done training for them - admittedly some years ago and it may have changed. But you can take my word for it, it was done properly, it lasted the whole day and delegates completed a test at the end.
Clearly your experience isn't the same as mine but I don't intend to get into a slanging match with you.
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Posted By NickyG
No slanging here, never was, never will be.
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Posted By Paul Nolan Hi Tim An independent review was completed by BOMEL commissioned by the HSE. The results shows very little difference between them. If you would like a copy of this report you can email me directly paulnolan@npors.com
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Posted By SteveD
Fellow members, apologies if this post in on the wrong forum but my concerns are CPCS. As a safety practitioner, member of IEMA, IIRSM etc I am currently involved with the Specialised Plant Operations as SQE and Internal Verifier. The recent updates from CPCS now state that trainers/testers [as they are called] need to meet new criteria. Firstly Current Instructors require a teaching qualification PTLLS. OK current instructors are a tad peeved but regulations are regulations. Secondly current holders of Nebosh, including the widespread accredited construction certificate, IOSH practitioners etc are deemed not competent because
a: the accreditation is not plant specific and b: It’s not renewable.
Obviously there is widespread concern out in that sector with trainers now going back on the levers as they put it. Current IOSH members including myself [and I did the CSCS Professional safety test in 4 minutes flat] are totally bemused at this approach? They have been told they have 2 years to achieve the plant specific accreditation at yet further cost? My question: How can CPCS not acknowledge Nebosh trained, IOSH members who fall stringently under CPD.
Oh, and having purchased the IOSH Managing Safely course I have also been informed under CPCS its not valid with them? Latest updates on construction skills web site.
I have read most of the observations in this forum regarding CPCS and even MCG comments with interest.
Steve
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Posted By Paul Nolan
NPORS has received numerous calls as a result of the new era of CPCS, which is great news for us (NPORS). NPORS will recognise any professional qualification gained through other Organisations. We will use these and map them to the requirements for an Instructor application. If there are any shortfalls, we will advise the applicant and assist them in achieving their Accredited Training Provider status.
Many Thanks
Paul Nolan
Managing Director
NPORS
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