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#1 Posted : 06 March 2008 08:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Taff2 I'm surprised that there does not seem to have been any debate on this topic - or is it simply, if we ignore the report then we can continue to make millions for flogging these courses.
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#2 Posted : 06 March 2008 08:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Spiers Training on any subject can raise much debate as it is often done to tick the box but does not automatically confirm competence or attitude and behaviour change. Formal manual handling courses often overload on theory and picking up the 'british standard empty box'and do very little to try to change people.I have spend half an hour with people discussing manual handling issues & problems and showing them a 5 minute dvd and have received excellent feedback particually from those who had experienced a half day plus course who comment it was over kill and boring.However how do we know my inspiring session actually changed attitudes & behaviour
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#3 Posted : 06 March 2008 09:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Merchant Two issues have an effect. Firstly people who have attended a training course are made aware of the regulations and so are more likely to report subsequent injuries (a fact of life these days). Secondly, the training is useless if the workplace can't accommodate it. I've regularly been told by delegates that they can't put boxes on a shelf at waist height "because our stores don't work like that", and if the people who decide on the shelving aren't on the courses, nothing changes. In construction etc. where people are lifting heavy objects from floor level, the "trained person" should go and get help. That only works if a manager sends two people on the job. Not easy if you're self-employed!
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#4 Posted : 06 March 2008 09:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By willhiem didnt see the shp article but i did see this some time ago http://www.bmj.com/cgi/c....39463.418380.BEv1?rss=1 i myself have always been sceptical about manual handling courses, particularly the tutors, i think some one with a medical qualification is probably the best way about going about it!
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#5 Posted : 06 March 2008 13:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Merchant "i think some one with a medical qualification is probably the best way about going about it!" You mean giving up chance of a quarter-mill salary and Lexus to take up minimum wage as a safety trainer would appeal to anyone? ... oh.. wait... [looks in mirror]
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#6 Posted : 06 March 2008 13:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins Taff - hasn't been ignored. Try here http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...m=1&thread=34467&page=81
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#7 Posted : 06 March 2008 14:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By willhiem No i dont mean give up such a salary i mean people who do the training should have at least some kind of background in health care or such subjects, i know of courses where phsyios are present and i think that is a good idea, i mean most of the trainers do the standard manual handling training and have little or no experience in actual anatomy or physiology so they're simply a go between those who give the trainers course and those who want manual handling training!
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#8 Posted : 06 March 2008 22:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason911 My grandfather worked all his life in the fields lifting and pulling all manner of heavy machinery. He was a slim muscular man who never suffered any kind of manual handling injury. I on the other hand, who try and avoid manual labour at all costs, was recently diagnosed with a slipped disc and suffered weeks of pain and was even facing an operation at one point. I am now much better thanks for asking, but during my weeks of hobbling around the office, I was amazed by the number of people who are, or know someone affected by this condition and for so many different reasons. Years ago I attended a weeks manual handling instructors course and we train all our employees periodically accordingly, but I have to admit that during our busy work schedules, people rarely lift as they should. When I discussed this with my consultant and asked his opinion as to how I could have caused it, he shrugged his shoulders and explained that nobody really understands backs, but injury in the vast majority of cases occurs over many years of bad posture, lifting, driving and being overweight to name but a few. I still think that employees should be trained in the basics, but it does anger me when an employee lifts a box, has seven weeks off with sciatica and then attempts to make a claim against us.
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#9 Posted : 06 March 2008 23:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Save the money and buy some lifting equiment, trolleys innit.
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