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#1 Posted : 17 March 2008 11:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Craven I would be grateful to hear from anyone, particularly colleagues who are self-employed, with views on the following please. I am currently employed full-time - CMIOSH on £35k per annum, plus pension and healthcare benefits - by a housing association. Always fancied working for myself and believe that I could do additional work, if I had more flexibility and only did the H&S part of my job, instead of having to work normal office hours Mon to Fri and getting involved in other issues as part of the management team, etc. Employer may be interested in employing me on a self-employed basis as a consultant and be willing to pay a sum of money into my business as a monthly fee. The fee being offered would pretty much match my existing salary. The main advantages of this would be that I could work for myself and, with support from my partner (who can do some of my admin and clerical work) and the ability to work outside of normal office hours and save some travel to work time, I could seek further work as a consultant. In other words, I would have a guranteed monthly income, similar to what I have at the moment, and the ability to take on other work. "What's holding me back???" Probably the fact that I've been in full-time employment for 28 years; am 45 years old; am settled in a decent job which is going very well; can see a decent company pension on the (distant) horizon; am aware of the usual employee benefits such as sick-pay, etc; and am firmly fixed in my "comfort zone!" What would you do? (Feel free to e-mail me direct if you wish) Regards Mike
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#2 Posted : 17 March 2008 12:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bannister Mike, the decision to become self-employed is one that needs very careful consideration. Suggest you set out the pros & cons in a formal way, being realistic about the chance of taking on additional work and what service your "client" will expect from you, as well as taking in to account the affect that losing the additional benefits (pension, healthcare) will mean. I believe that you (and your partner) need to be fully committed to self-employment to make it work but the rewards are good when it does work. There are several other threads dealing with this subject which contain plenty of advice and opinions. In the end, only you can decide what is right for you.
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#3 Posted : 17 March 2008 12:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By I H I think you need an accountant but my experince was along the lines of a ltd company. Protects you if it all goes wrong. Your employer may pay the same as your wage but if you have only one client then you are not a consultant. IR34 I think its called, if you are working for your former employer 9-5 on set days thats part time employment. That said its a great start for you to go onto find work. Its how I started. Walked out of a £45k pa job, 2 children under the age of 5 and a big mortgage, the biggest problem I had was flexability. See if you can pick and choose the days you consult (not work for them)and that will give you opportunity to see other people. I was always told, if you are good you will get work. I'm not sure if it was a reference to my ability or attitude, but only you can answer that one.
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#4 Posted : 17 March 2008 12:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Mike Read this: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ir35/ Paul
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#5 Posted : 17 March 2008 13:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel Appraise yourself / your current status; * Have you ran a business before? * Do you know about the tax/insurance implications * Are you good at marketing/sales * What about the insurance * Do you get paid sickness * Paid pension etc If you think that you can work for one company alone e.g. transfer from PAYE to self employed and stay at the same desk etc; as many have tried, think again as the Dept of Pensions, Social Security and the taxman etc say different Being self-employed is not every body's destiny. However take the jam and the bread e.g. stay where you are and undertake work as a sole trader / limited company as a separate undertaking - it can be done
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#6 Posted : 17 March 2008 13:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martyn Hendrie Mike, If you go the route of self employment the daily/hourly rate you receive should be greater that was being paid when in employment. This is to compensate for Pensions/ holiday pay/ employers NI payments, etc. Without an enhanced rate you employer wins and you lose Be careful
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#7 Posted : 17 March 2008 14:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Brede Hi Mike, I made this choice 3 years ago, give me a ring or email me direct. 07930960241
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#8 Posted : 17 March 2008 14:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Brazier The offer of a "guaranteed monthly income" equating to £35k per year sounds too good to be true. We all know the advice given with offers like that. You need to ask yourself what will the company do if they decide that actually they like their H&S person to be around to attend meetings etc. The next thing you hear is 'thanks for your help, we've now employed someone for the role.' You need to consider what business you are setting up. The £35k a year may be exactly what you need to get started, but don't rely on it. Instead treat it as a (very nice) extra, and be honest with yourself about other potential income. Another way to look at this is as a contractor. When the contract comes to an end you need to find something else. On that basis £35k per year is no way near enough to make up for uncertainty, quiet times etc.
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#9 Posted : 17 March 2008 22:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Brede Further to my brief response the salient issue is how you intend to trade with your former employer. The issue that would interest the Inland Revenue would be are you any different to an employee receiving a salary? Basically if you are not then they will feel your collar! In essence you should be being paid for projects completed as opposed to time spent at work, and have control of your affairs. You will not receive employee benefits such as holiday and pension contributions and be providing equipment, cameras computers etc to carry out your business. If you have any concerns about the contract you are being offered there are law firms who specialise in this field and I can put you on to them. There are accountancy firms who also assist. Some do direct you to their umbrella companies which will leave you scarcely better off or assist you to operate as a limited company if you so wish. If you want any more information contact me and I will go through it in more detail
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#10 Posted : 18 March 2008 09:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Craven Many thanks to everyone who has responded and given me advice, either through this discussion thread or direct to my e-mail address. Thanks for contact numbers, offers of further advice, etc. I am now away for a couple of days, but have a couple of meetings scheduled over Easter, which might help me to come to a decision on this matter. I will probably come back to one or two people in a couple of weeks time if that's ok. Thanks again Mike
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