Posted By Taff2 Scenario: Chemical site 150 employees - including lean management structure Minimal union involvement 24x7 operation Group management initiative Local management less than enthusiastic - but keen to improve safety Approx 1 RIDDOR / year Approx 15 near-misses reported / month Query: Estimated cost of introducing BBS (training + Estimated period required to implement system, establish system & Estimated time required to maintain systems (weekly inspections)+ analysis Finally - good source of information on BBS?

Posted By Taff2 Thanks Kieran, Can someone answer the first three questions now?

Posted By Kieran J Duignan PL The figure of '£150K' may represent excellent value depending on the actual return on the investment. In the best of possible world, perhaps it may even enhance your own fortunes in due course. Can you say what the range of the expected return on investment was when the decision was made to make it? And the extent to which the EROI are being fulfilled or exceeded?

Posted By Barry Cooper We introduced DuPont STOP for each other, and we did it in house. We had trained trainers, and these trained the observers. Been relatively successful, but you have to have it driven from the top, the senior management should also be involved and carry out behavioural observations Cost was approx £5k for materials, and approx £20k for a three day train the trainer workshop and has taken 12 months. We now plan to train all 124 employees in the programme. Barry

Posted By Safety Dave I think there's a fine line between getting managers and senior managers/directors involved and enagaged with programmes (which is essential) and turning the whole thing into "just another management initiative" from the perspective of the workforce, potentially leading to the "blame the worker" syndrome so many companies have experienced with BBS and that Unions hate so much. Sight must never be lost of the fact that you are trying to engage the workers and make them understand not only that they should change their behaviour but that it is in their interests to change their behaviour - top down can sometimes feels like punishment, bottom up is empowerment. Barry - Out of interest, with the 20k for 3 day Train the Trainer, how many of your staff did you get trained as trainers for this amount and how many external consultants/trainers delivered the training over the 3 days?

Posted By Barry Cooper The cost was for training 12 trainers using one consultant. It did help with the fact that some of the trainees had some experience of a similar observation program. We are thinking of spreading it throughout our European sites, and am awaiting costs for this Barry

Posted By Ian G Hutchings Hi Unfortunately the implementation of BBS is seen as being expensive and quite rigid by many. From my experience the larger packages can be too generic and not take into account the true organisational and commercial root causes. Anyone considering such an approach should ensure that the consultancy involved spends time upfront to understand the true reasons for the causes of unsafe behaviour and conditions in the workplace. I consistently find that many of these are rooted in the set up of the organisation, flow of information and involvement/feedback from employees. I would not be able to give set prices until an initial needs assessment has been completed. This often saves a great deal of wasted time, effort and cash. However, typical ranges of fees can be provided. These range drastically from one organisation to the next. Performance based pricing can be explored e.g. flat rates and then bonuses upon visible and tangible reductions in unsafe behaviour and resulting reductions in injury rates. Clients tend to like this as the risk is shared. Ian