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#1 Posted : 21 April 2008 08:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By beenus
Good morning to you all. I have been made aware that my organisation may have subjected contractors to asbestos (Asbestos cement) as part of a clean up process. I have also discovered that the contractors were not licensed to cover this type of work and am currently trying to find out more information from work colleagues. My query is am i required to report it under RIDDOR, I know that if there was a case of asbestosis/mesothelioma then it is reportable as a disease.

Any guidance you can give me would be very much appreciated.

stressed-out already and its only Monday!
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#2 Posted : 21 April 2008 10:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Carolyn
Following an incident i was involved in last year, this incident may well not be reportable to the HSE. It is all dependant on the amount of asbestos fibre released and the duration of exposure to your operatives.
Following an incident we took the view that it was better to report rather than not. This was investigated by the HSE and we learnt many valuable lessons. THe incident however did not actually have to be reported under RIDDOR.
I would say if in doubt report it.
You will have to take records of persons potentially exposed in case of future repocutions regardless of whether or not you report this under RIDDOR.
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#3 Posted : 21 April 2008 10:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy
I am so glad this issue has been raised.
I am currently working on a project where extract ductwork needs surveying due to the nature of the dust that has accumulated over time, mostly from the lagging.
I have adsvised the property manager that this dust is full of ACM's until proved otherwise. The Client is terrified because this means in theory the air has been blowing about the building therefore breathed in by all and sundry. My gut feeling is that this must be reportable, particularly as members of the public have been put at risk too but others dont have the same oppinion. Any thoughts?
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#4 Posted : 21 April 2008 10:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234
There is only one category it copuld be reported under in RIDDOR, i.e Dangerous Occurrence, escape of substances:


Escape of substances (paragraph 21)
149 The substances covered by this definition may be in any form: liquid, solid (eg powder), gaseous or vapour and may include, for example:

(a) substances which may be hazardous to health (eg asbestos, phosgene, toluene diisocyanate);

(b) substances which may be either corrosive or potentially hazardous by virtue of their temperature or pressure (eg nitric acid, molten metal, liquid nitrogen);

(c) substances which may, depending upon the circumstances of the escape, present a fire or explosion hazard (eg oxygen, acetylene).


150 Examples of the kinds of incident involving substances which might be covered by the definition are escapes arising from the failure or breakage of plant, pipes, equipment or apparatus; failures of process control; the operation of a relief valve or bursting disc where the escaping substance is not safely controlled or directed; and spillages from containers and equipment.

151 Releases from plant etc, during the normal course of operation or maintenance (eg during sampling, packaging or draining of lines) that are sufficiently well controlled to ensure that no person is put at risk would not be reportable.

152 The decision as to whether or not an incident is reportable depends upon factors such as the nature of the substance and its chemical, physical and toxicological properties, the amount which escaped and its dispersal; and whether people could have been present at the time.



Clearly asbestos is mentioned in the above guidance to the regulations, but you need to consider the exposure in the context of paragraph 152. In other words you need to make a judgement call.

My gut feel from the limited information provided is that it is not reportable - however, I clearly don't have all the relevant information.

Don't report 'just in case' - make a decision based on the evidence, record how you arrived at that decision, and act accordingly.

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#5 Posted : 21 April 2008 11:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Haggis JM
Think it is reportable under the Asbestos regs, but not under RIDDOR.
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#6 Posted : 21 April 2008 11:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By beenus
Thank you to everyone who has responded, We had some air monitoring checks carried out which showed a level of 0.01mg which is below the WEL, so on this basis I have decided I don't need to report as the risk is low. However, I wasn't aware that I had to keep a record of the possible exposure - I have made a note of the event on our accident reporting system, would this be sufficient do you know or do I need to do more?

Again, many thanks for your help.
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#7 Posted : 21 April 2008 11:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Haggis JM
I would include a reference to it in your Asbestos Management file.
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#8 Posted : 21 April 2008 15:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By IOSH Moderator
Anon,

We've had to hide your post until you can provide a reference or link to the document you have quoted.

This is to prevent either you or this website being in breach of copyright restrictions that may apply.

Apologies to all for the inconvenience.

Jon
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