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#1 Posted : 23 April 2008 14:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By MikeP
Our H&S Adviser has commented on the number of staff still taking their bikes into the yard area, even after the company has sullied them with a bike shed.

He has pointed out that there is a risk of the cyclists hitting someone as they ride (rather than walk) the bikes in the yard.

The company has warned these people that if they persist they risk getting their bikes removed from the site and dumped in the street or in the carpark.

My question is can they remove the bikes and dump them where they may be at risk of getting damaged or stolen?

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#2 Posted : 23 April 2008 15:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brando
Can you clamp them in some way?

We clamp illegally parked cars on site ( warnings are clearly posted ). We don't charge people for removing the clamp but the security guys often take their merry time about removing them when asked. Seems to do the trick - if not they get a ban from site.

Removing the bikes yourself might sound tempting but might open up a can of legal worms???

Brando

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#3 Posted : 23 April 2008 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes
I would say that the company cant just move the bikes for the reasons you mention.

Think about traffic routes, pedestrian segregation, moving the bike shed closer to the work entrance etc
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#4 Posted : 23 April 2008 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Cornet
Your HR department should deal with the personnel who repeatedly break your company rules by riding their bikes in areas where they shouldn’t, issue the culprits with a formal written warning. If the bikes were removed and dumped then that would possibly be a legal matter – vandalism.
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#5 Posted : 23 April 2008 15:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mitch
I agree with Paul HR not H&S
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#6 Posted : 23 April 2008 18:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs
I agree HR issue, but to answer your question, the company has the right to prohibit the riding or the very presence of bikes on their property. Yes, they have the right to remove them.

If they have given clear warning (and probably if that warning is supported by signs) I doubt you would find a court willing to convict them of any wrong doing.
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#7 Posted : 23 April 2008 18:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48
As long as they do not damage them in any way or leave them in an obviously insecure place??
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#8 Posted : 24 April 2008 13:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric Taylor
Agree fully with the HR route. Like all too many things on this forum, if managers managed properly instead of trying to get H&S to do their job for them, things would be so much easier.

having said that, you need to be careful of regional variations. I know that it is illegal in Scotland for a private individuals to deprive you of the use of your possessions. For example, you don't get private individuals using wheel clamps up here. It's only the local authority or Police that can use them. Something to do with highway robbery laws. So be careful if you are going to move another persons belongings.
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#9 Posted : 24 April 2008 13:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By mike morland
Wouldn't advise removal of someone elses property. Guarantee they will say you have damaged it in some way.

Rather advise them of your company policy, tell them that offenders will not be allowed to bring their bike on the site and then stick to your guns.

The problem will soon become theirs and not yours as they will have to find somewhere outside your premises to park it and run the risk of it being stolen; or find alternative transport to work; or run the risk of being late for work and being disciplined for that instead.

Believe me, when it becomes a problem to them they will soon start to comply.

Regards
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#10 Posted : 24 April 2008 13:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anthony Edwards
Hi there,

firstly congratulations on supplying the bike shed and trying to encourage employees to cycle to work.

I think you need to ask the employees why they keep riding into the yard. Is it they are worried about the theft of the bikes? Is the bike shed far away from the yard? Try to find the root of the problem, but if its just the fact that they are lazy B*****ds then like others have stated, this should be a HR issue.

Regards

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