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Posted By MICHAEL T
Does anyone have a Lone Worker Permit To Work that they could send me?
Regards
Mike
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Posted By Sharon
Michael, you have mail.
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Posted By steve e ashton
Michael.
I am confused... You are using words I thought I understood, but not in a way which I can comprehend the question.
In my experience any task which requires a permit to work - almost by definition - is NOT a task which could be undertaken by a 'lone worker'. It is a high-risk task (or a moderate risk task in a high risk environment) and so should never be undertaken by a lone worker. Whether its hot work, confined space, abseiling, vessel opening, flange breaking - whatever - it should be simply unthinkable that a lone worker would undertake work with this level of risk.
A permit to work is a document used to formally record specific risks, the precautions implemented and the communication of those precautions from one person (the issuer) to another (the receiver). It is not a system that one person can use.
If you have a 'lone worker' then who is going to issue a permit - and who receive it?
If you are looking for a formal system of work which requires a lone worker to record his assessment of the risks in a task he is about to undertake - then that is not a permit to work....
So - sorry, but I don't understand the question. Even after 28 years in the profession. If you want to elaborate, we may be able to assist rather more when we can understand the context of your question?
Steve
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Posted By Tim S
Would agree with last response. Just started with present company and they issued a combined "Permit to Work" to all contractors. It had two tick boxes for work in confined space!
I've re-named it and altered it as an authority to work, backed up by appropriate Permit To Work's for Hot Work, Electrical, Confined Space etc
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Posted By MICHAEL T
Steve
To clarify: the Permit To Work I was thinking about was more of the type with a risk assessment with yes / no questions.
I am struggling with Site Managers who want to sit on the fence on an issue where they are sending guys to site alone but with minimal risk.
I am quite aware that PTW's are not issued when there is high risk activities therefore I wanted them to go through a formal procedure of thinking about the issues and evaluating whether there was a risk to the individual.
So with my meagre 10 years in the business,I thought that a PTW would put the onus back onto the people who were supposed to be managing the situation. If they have to sign for something it will make them think.
Regards
Mike
PS:As I was doing this exercise I noticed that on the pre-printed PTW's from Safety Shop - they have the question "is it safe to work alone on this job - yes / no.
This is on:
Electrical work.
Confined spaces
Hazardous substances
Working at height
Overhead cranes
Hot works
Lifting equipment.
I agree that high risk op's should not be undertaken by lone workers, but this is implying that even these op's can be done if suffient control measures are put in place??
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Posted By CJP
I have seen a PtW system adapted for a lone worker situation - when an operator visits oil well heads out in the countryside. Admittedly the tasks were not particularly high risk, but the worksite (inside the fence)was classed as a hazardous area. Before setting of to the site the operator completed a checklist with his supervisor which described the work to be done, safety precautions (PPE, removal of ignition sources, etc.), the requirement to report to his supervisor at fixed times, etc. The operator signed the "permit" confirming his understanding, the supervisor signed confirming that he authorises the work to take place. Once the work was finished the operator returned to base and the permit was again signed by both, confirming the work was complete and the worksite had been returned to normal.
Of course, the main "loophole" in the system was that the operator could go and do the job without telling his supervisor. But I think that applies to any PtW system - it is a question of education and training "do it according to the PtW system or you will loose your job, if not your life".
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Posted By Andrew M
We have a permit that covers lone working (mainly to control contractors and ensure adequate superivsion). However it is invalidated if a Permit to work is required.
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