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#1 Posted : 16 May 2008 12:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Halesowen Baggie What are members experiences of the following scenario? A contractor employs a sub contractor(one man band, self employed)and the sub contractor sustains an injury, what are the chances of a successful claim, negligence,BOSD,etc against the contractor that has employed the sub contractor, if a careful selection procedure has been conducted. An important point being the sub contractor would know more about potential risks of the job involved than the employing contractor (hence why he is being employed). So although a civil claim cant be made under S3 HSAW, could a BOSD be successful under MHSAW regs for not carrying out a RA?
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#2 Posted : 16 May 2008 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Look at the contract - If the duty has not been assigned then it rests with the employing contractor so far as breaches of his own duties are concerned. You would need to establish that the causative factors were outside of what a competent contractor would know and thus could control. Most contracts exclude incompetence, thus if subcontractor acts incompetently there is no case against employing contractor for injury. However incompetence is extremely hard to prove. HSE view is generally to ask who is in control - ie who is the principal or employing contractor. Bob
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#3 Posted : 16 May 2008 13:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rodger Alan Ker While it does not refer to an injury, it would be worth looking at the case of "Viasystems (Tyneside) Ltd V Thermal Transfer", where the Court of Appeal found that, contrary to the long held legal assumption, it was possible for two parties to be vicariously liable for the actions of the same negligent employee. Rodger Ker
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#4 Posted : 16 May 2008 14:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT HB It could given the right circumstances; if however as you suggest the selection process was thorough what particular significant risk was the engaging contractor supposed to be undertaking that the sc had not already produced for the contractor; specifics of regulation 3 not withstanding? I ask as you started by asking about member experiences; I just want to be clear on what you are asking before wasting your time with an altogether incorrect reference to a 'similar' case I investigated some years ago. CFT
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#5 Posted : 16 May 2008 14:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Rodger Yes Joint Vicarious liability. May also occur in CM cases Bob
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#6 Posted : 16 May 2008 15:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Halesowen Baggie CTF Any experience you could share would be welcomed.
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#7 Posted : 25 May 2008 21:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By DJ HB, The quick answer is No. Regulation 22 of the MHSWR excludes the right of a person to bring a BOSD claim for a breach of the MHSWR unless the claimant is an employee. That does not mean to say that there cannot be a negligence claim (citing a failure to RA as the negligent act) and Bob Lewis is quite correct in that the sub-contractor may be able to bring a breach of contract claim. Regards. DJ
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#8 Posted : 27 May 2008 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By toby liberson Just to get me up to speed on this: As I understand the post the sub-contractor is going to claim against the contractor for injuries sustain whilst working in a premises under the contractors control. If this is the case then where does a claim of vicarious liability come in? It is also not clear whether the sub-contractor was working to his method statement/SSOW or whether he was working in a way as specified by the contracor? Finaly what was the sub-contractors competence and what were th demands of the job , as an example a corgi registered fitter would have trouble claiming compensation for injuries sustained due to the malfunctioning of an appliance he had fitted
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