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#1 Posted : 27 May 2008 15:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Stacey
We are reviewing our company driving policy and would like to gauge what is "common practice" amongst other companies.

Do you check the driving licences of:
a) Company Car Drivers
b) Own car drivers
c) Occasional Hire Car drivers

and approximately what size fleet, number of drivers would you have.

Thanks in advance
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#2 Posted : 27 May 2008 15:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Haynes
Yes to all 3, plus a check that own car drivers [who claim mileage] have car insurance that cover business use.
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#3 Posted : 27 May 2008 16:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Haggis JM
As above, plus copy of MOT cert if applicable for own cars.
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#4 Posted : 27 May 2008 16:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Jerman
Paul, in addition to the other things that we do - yes we check licenses.

All company car drivers (business)
All company car drivers (perk of the job)
All those who officially use their cars (or hire) on business and claim mileage.

But very hard to check everyone who MAY use their car on any sort of business - given the spontaneous nature of some of those requests.
Obviously our handbook covers the 'rules' if you like but checking everyone every year for example would be a full time job. 70 000 employees in all. Officially, we have about 2000 actual 'users' apart from fleet drivers (vans and LGV etc)

It's a tricky issue to manage really well at times

Chris
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#5 Posted : 27 May 2008 16:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By DHM
As above,

We get a third party co. to undertake checks on an annual basis. All drivers of co. vehicles sign a disclaimer that enables us to check every year.

We also undertake driver assessments annually.
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#6 Posted : 27 May 2008 16:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
A, B & C. Plus drivers insurance details, plus MOT's/ Service records for own vehicles used for work purposes on an annual basis.

Payment of car travel expenses is also subject to satisfactory receipt of the above info. No details = no expenses.
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#7 Posted : 27 May 2008 23:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By P.R
As Jonathan above and we record detailson the register every 6 months.

Pete
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#8 Posted : 28 May 2008 10:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By John A Wright
Although we were checking licences every year we had one company car driver who concealed the fact that he had been banned, he concealed it for 10 months and was only found out when he was stopped by police for a minor issue that they just wanted a word about.....

He was sacked

Is there a way that companies can be informed about an employee being banned?


John W
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#9 Posted : 29 May 2008 13:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian Hagyard
John W

A quick Google search will give you lots of companies who offer such a service. I came across a large haulage/transport company recently that uses such a system to keep track of its HGV drivers - they don't wait for them to tell them they have been banned. Also don't forget its quite easy to have two copies of a driving licence. Thought I had lost mine a few years ago so paid for a new one. Then when cleaning a cupboard out I found the old one. Being a responsible Health and Safety Person I destroyed the Old One - but if I had got points on my new licence could have easily shown my old one to a potential employer.

I also appreciate its really difficult to have detailed checks on private cars such as service histories etc, but if we are serious about safety shouldn't we not try - next thing you know people will be advertising for Fork Lift Truck Drivers - Own FLT essential, paying a mileage allowance and then saying the owner is responsible for their own servicing and thorough examination. I am afraid for people using their own cars for most employers (mine included!) its about covering their own backs on insurance.

Thursday rant over.

Brian
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#10 Posted : 30 May 2008 13:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Robertson-Böber
I was just discussing this with members of HR. We have a system of annual checks of plastic and paper and are introducing a formal contractor which staff will needs to sign of on stating the terms and conditions of driving on and off site, as well as those matters of reporting issuing of points on license etc.

Another interesting factor which shouldn't be forgotten is what the individual is licensed to drive. Pre-1997 Licenses have extensively more permissibly vehicles than Driving Licenses issues post-1997. You can see this list on http://www.direct.gov.uk...urObligations/DG_4022547

If anyone is using a good excel document or database they would like to share for recording these details down I would be grateful to have a look at it as I am in the midst of putting one together.

Andrew Böber
CMIOSH FRSH FRGS
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#11 Posted : 30 May 2008 14:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert.
What about employees partners who are allowed to drive Co cars?
Would the checks go that far and how would you assess them?
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#12 Posted : 30 May 2008 14:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT
Paul

I have introduced a comprehensive policy for own vehicle use on company business which of course necessitates supplying documents as have been previously indicated, and also contains the removable section to say it has been read and fully understood and that all conditions are acceptable and are relevant to an addition to the overall employment contract of employment; the same applies to company owned vehicles, both policies are extensive and also require a section to be signed and returned.

Worth including the prescription drug section that may require the person to refrain from driving while taking (whatever) Anti-Histamine is a classic unless non drowsy type. With the company car they sign to state they will immediately notify the company if any restrictions or points to the licence are issued thus possibly affecting underwriter cover and voiding the fleet policy if not adhered to

There was a system in place previously but I felt the CM&CH Act made me look at the thoroughness and so decided to go the whole 9 yds.

If you need to shoot the breeze further don't hesitate to call.

All the best

Charley.

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#13 Posted : 02 June 2008 11:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Robertson-Böber
Charley

Do you a system in place to test your drivers competency with regards to this? I have heard of a few folk that have but am curious if anyone has any firsthand experience on implementing this.

Kind Regards,

B

Andrew Böber
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#14 Posted : 02 June 2008 11:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By MT
I work for a local authority with over 11,000 employees. I drive my own car on company business, get an allowance each month for wear and tear, plus a mileage rate. My employer has requested no information on my car or my driving license.
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#15 Posted : 02 June 2008 12:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT
Andrew

If the individual has a driving licence for the class of vehicle; have not had any restrictions placed upon them by the underwriters or 'others' and we hold no documentary evidence to suggest that we should intervene, I consider that we have taken every step SFARP to generally safeguard the individuals health & safety whilst driving at work; with the inclusion of a comprehensive policy which each individual driver played a part in the production of.

I suppose it is far simpler throughout our organisation due to the numbers involved, this is simplicity to for me to put into practice; times it by A LOT, to come close to the post above and I would need to think again; that would really only be a bigger department to administrate without getting into labouring the issue at hand for the sake of it; having so said, statistically a larger organisation should have concerns if indeed no 'actual' policy exists for the driving individuals; sadly, this is quite common.

Times are a changing, and the wheels on the bus go round and round, but oh so slowly. Where I find it highly frustrating is when I read of such and such being prosecuted for 2 (1) or 3 (1) of HSWA (for example) and the company state in response that 'they now have thorough systems in place to prevent such a recurrence', such a shame it takes a loss of life to make those changes; proactive and reactive are rarely quoted quite so accurately!

The throwaway that 'RTA's' don't come under H&S is the caveat that many companies show little interest; if only they knew!

CFT
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