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#1 Posted : 12 June 2008 08:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hugo I am aware this subject has been raised previously. However it appears that many responses were negative and dismissed the possibility of Zero Harm being achieved. I do view it as a culture and state of mind and do believe it can be achieved with great efforts within a project (construction) over a fixed period. I do also recognise that the site down the road may be suffering from numerous incidents and therefore (accidents will happen)! I aim to brief project and site managers and contractors on the topic and try to explain how it can be achieved through proactive and repeated systems. IE do not walk past - fix it or report it! Method statements and risk assessment - no work to be commenced without the previous being reviewed and approved etc. Effectively I want to see this project being rolled out with belt and braces and everyone being of the same mind in order to achieve the culture and hopefully drive towards the objective. Can anyone provide me with background info on Zero Harm approach and deliverable straight to the point information or statements on how it can be approached and achieved. Thanks
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#2 Posted : 12 June 2008 08:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel you can have a zero harm situation and make £ at the same time - but is requires real commitment from the top - when the top is on board the rest is easy I worked for 4 different nationalities at the same time on the same job - 3 were really striving to accomplish a zero rate the other [ guess which nationality - a typical do as I say, not as I do Brit company ] did not have real top management commitment
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#3 Posted : 12 June 2008 09:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sally I don't think any of us would deny that 'zero harm' is achievable with money, committment etc. What I think should be up for debate is whether it is desirable. Every 'conkers bonkers' story we read is actually taking away the chance of an accident happening ie moving towards 'zero harm'. It is a very small chance and society has decided it would prefer to take the risk.
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#4 Posted : 12 June 2008 09:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham If with zero harm you include possible damage to health from workplace skin exposure, then I would be amazed if you could ever achieve this. The way the skin interacts with the working environment is incredibly complex, each person's skin is unique to them, so inevitably someone, somewhere will react to something that does not affect the rest of the workforce. After nearly 30 years being concentrating on attempting to prevent damage to health from workplace skin exposure, eliminating this is simply not an option, at best we can minimise the risk. Chris
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#5 Posted : 12 June 2008 10:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By jayjay Hi Guys ! The site i work on operates a 'zero harm' policy however i dont't think it works as i think it encourages employees to under report, which is not we want. Contractors take items out of the First Aid boxes so either somebody has a nice stash of bandages,plasters etc at home or somebody is having minor injuries which i think is more likely to be the case. Therefore they are not approaching management and reporting this and also not making entries in the accident book. Regards, JJ
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#6 Posted : 12 June 2008 10:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philip McAleenan Hugo, The following series of papers (the first four) traces the development of an approach to operation control commencing with the objective of zero fatalities and evolving towards a model that embraces a range of concepts necessary to make the objective achievable. The fifth paper, A Paradigm Shift – etc. looks at decision making and problem solving in a way that shifts OSH away from negative loss control to a positive added value for a company. The approaches described are not industry specific and can be adapted to any and all work situations. They are based on the recognition that a competent and authoritative workforce can design and implement dynamic systems and procedures that meet their requirements for safe working and quality in output. Confined Spaces Working - Towards Zero Fatalities: http://www.web-safety.co...atures/papers/CSZero.PDF A Different Approach - Operational Analysis and Control: http://www.web-safety.co...tures/papers/NSC2002.pdf Prevention - A Universal Responsibility: http://www.web-safety.co...tures/papers/PUR2005.pdf Competence: Redefining the Matrix of Authority: http://www.web-safety.co..._Matrix_of_Authority.pdf A Paradigm Shift - An Applied Systems Thinking Approach to Health and Safety Management: http://www.web-safety.co...nload/A_New_Paradigm.pdf Regards, Philip
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#7 Posted : 13 June 2008 10:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hugo Thankyou all for your responses. I am seconded to a large company which has unfortunately suffered a number of fatalities over the last number of months. They have a Zero Harm culture (i used to be very synical and call such approaches (POSTER AND PROPOGANDA HEALTH AND SAFETY), but I would really like to see them achieve their goal. Unfortunately I have been in discussion with Managers and H&S Managers who seem to believe, injury and death is inevitable. Similar to a calculated military attack. Difference being - there are more fatalities amongst UK construction workers than UK troops in hostile environments today. I really need a message to send to these people and a method of educating them to the fact they need to exercise all they read, write and say in regards to H&S in order to achieve Zero Harm and not give up at the Site Security entrance. Thanks again.
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#8 Posted : 13 June 2008 11:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob T Zero harm culture is going back to the goggles for playing conkers scenario. It can't happen, it wont happen and all that you do is deter people from reporting events as they become more worried about reporting rather than trying to prevent a recurrence. I play rugby and from some of the ways people are talking here they would want me to wear American football style outfits - no, no and no again! yes had many broken fingers, dislocated shoulder, black eyes, fat lips. That's all part of the fun! My goal is to reduce the incidence of major accidents and to ensure a safe work environment, not to become a dictator who prattles on about paper cuts.
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#9 Posted : 13 June 2008 12:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian1 with 'Zero Harm' it can all depend how you're going to pitch it because the term 'Zero Harm' is a very negative statement which can easily lead to a feeling of impossibility by those whom you wish to have participating in the scheme. As soon as an incident occurs then the zero element has failed and if the incident involved harm then that part of the statement is no longer true. If however you really want to run with this type of campaign then in my experience you need to directly involve those personnel who have the most potential for being harmed i.e. the workforce. Consultation at a site level is a real key as it allows them to table their own ideas and points to assist the process, plus when you have the workforce suggesting ideas which they subsequently see being implemented then they are far more likely to work to them but they also feel part of the process. Hope this helps a little.
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#10 Posted : 13 June 2008 12:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Konstanty Budkiewicz Hugo, You mentioned that your undertaking possibly viewed accidents as being inevitable - like a planned military attack. I suggest that you may be able to use the military analogy to your advantage. For instance, in France in 1944, under trained troops, with no PPE ("flak jackets"), poor tools (slow firing rate, low caliber machine guns, inferior tanks and communications systems) could sustain casualties of say 100 per day per operational engagement. Within the year Montgomery was running out of troops; ignoring his business planners, he launched the ill-fated Arnhem attack (bridge too far - a high business risk decision, resulting in loss of approx 10 000 trained personnel and Kudos). In an era of changing public expectation, the Armed Forces today (as far as cost will permit) are using sound quality plan-do-review principles: we have have the trained experienced troops, effective "tools" and enhanced communications. Your managers may be able to see the analogy and move to what Mr Churchill could have described as the "sunny uplands of cost effective health and safety". Kon
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