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Posted By Anthony Edwards
Hi,
I have been approached by a client who maintains the grounds of an estate and golf course.
All operatives are trained in the use of all machinery used. As part of their role they maintain the grass area in front of the entrance to the complex which is approx 6ft wide and 400 feet long next to a B class road.
Do the operatives require any specialist qualifications when working by the road. Signs are placed informing on comming drivers that grass cutting is taking place.
Your advice will be gratefully accepted
Regards
Nutty
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Ensure operatives face oncoming traffic! Hearing may be impaired by PPE.
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Posted By MickN
The latest in Irish legislation says that traffic marshals need to be adequately trained. Is it the same for the UK?
The only other thing I'd suggest is carrying out the work at a time when traffic volume is low.
Mick
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Posted By RP
At the worst case senario the highway authority may request you leave the highway, if this grass is part of the highway (between boundry fences.
I would suggest that Sector Scheme 12D, Module T1 for moving and mobile work on single carraigeway road would be the way forward. In the fist instance though, speak to your highway authority.
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Sorry this is strictly a Friday answer - no offence meant to a serious job of work -
"Instruct all workers not to stand back to admire their work !"
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Posted By Edward H
Technically, you are acting illegally if you are placing any signs [or cones etc.] on the highway without the authorisation of the highway authority [usually the County Council]. Highway authorities would normally expect at least one of your gang to have been trained to the basic level under the New Roads & Street Works Act [google NRSWA training] or Highways Sector Scheme 12D as mentioned above.
However, if whilst they are mowing their grass they do not interfere with the highway or any footway then there is no requirement to show any advance warning to traffic. The problem is that passing traffic can overhang the verge by up to 500mm so there could be a risk of your grass cutters being hit by a passing overhanging vehicle.
If the cutters on your mowers can reach the edge whilst the body of the machine [and the operator] are more than 500mmm clear of the edge then that would be OK. Other options would include mowing up to 500mm from the edge and then using a long strimmer to do the last bit or replace the last 500mm of grass with gravel.
Hope this helps
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Posted By RP
No, not the Streetworks Act, this is aimed squarely at Utility companies, not grass cutters...
You are not acting illegally by placing signs/cones on the highway unless they are causing an obstruction. All you need to do is notice the authority about the work, thats if they are interested.
You commit an offence if you 'do not' place signs, etc. Highways Act applies.
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Posted By RP
Worth also noting that the sideways clearence will be a minimum of 1.2m if the speed of road is 50mph or over...
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Posted By Edward H
RP, you are of course correct in stating that the sideways safety clearance given in the NRSWA Code of Practice [the "Red Book"] for a 50mph or faster road is 1.2m; that was written assuming the worse case i.e. that the works were in the road, that they were going to be there for a few hours, and that the workforce were milling about on foot. If the works are on the verge it can be argued that passing vehicles are less likely to accidentally enter the workzone, similarly if the workforce are on vehicles [ride-on mowers] they are less likely to randomly step back into the live traffic lane. This and the practical limitations of fitting a works vehicle + 1.2m clearance into the average verge has been recognised in the new guidance, soon to be published on the Highways Agency website "Guidance for Works on the Hard Shoulder and Road Side Verges on High Speed Dual Carriageways". The absolute minimum figure of 0.5m for short duration work came from there.
Anything placed on the highway is an obstruction [skip, dead dog, road-cone]. Some obstructions may be permitted in law [e.g. lawfully parked vehicle, licensed skip or scaffold]. To make a roadsign lawful it has to be placed with the permission of the highway authority; utility contractors as statutory undertakers, have blanket permission to undertake street works provided, as you say, they notify the highway authority. Anyone other than a statutory undertaker has to seek specific permission from the authority.
In my experience, most highway authorities will only give permission with a condition to the effect that the gang placing the signage are appropriately qualified, and most HAs will accept qualifications either under NRSWA or 12D
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Are the verges clear of debris? - ie no chance of hitting passing vehicles with any solid material caught up and then ejected from fast moving blades?
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Posted By Eamon Murtagh
Check Chapter 8 of the Traffic Signs Manual from the Highways Agency re marking of roadworks. The Traffic Signs Manual is now in two parts - Part 1 Design and Part 2 Operation, and is available in hard copy format and electronically.
It can be accessed via the DFT website http://www.dft.gov.uk/ with the benefit of a new search facility, or by using the following link.
In Ireland the Minister for Transport has issued a circular directing councles to migrate to the new Revised Chapter 8.
it can be accessed at The updated Chapter 8 (see below) which is issued on an interim basis in ... Signs and Layout Diagrams from Traffic Signs Manual updated Chapter 8 (see page ...
www.transport.ie/viewite...d=9095&lang=ENG&loc=1225 - 22k
a guidance document has also been produced and it deals with rolling lane clousers for grass cutting
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Posted By David Bramall
Anthony
Imagine the case where you or one of your grass cutters are cutting the grass outside your or their own house - quite capable of doing so. A "B" Class road may be fairly busy but forget local authorities requiring anything from you in terms of permissions, cards, sector skills training or anything else. If you carry out the work for the local authority, they may require some evidence of competence to allow you to carry out the work for them, if you are excavating near the road edge, you may need permission or a permit to do so but you are cutting grass - so go ahead and do it - the local authority has absolutely no ned to know about it unless you have to close the road or severely restrict traffic on the road.
What I would suggest is that you place the signs as described in the "Safety at Street Works and Road Works - A Code of Practice" (The Red Book), although this is not essential for your particular work but would be good practice.
So long as the operatives are competent for the work - carry on.
DrB
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