Posted By apjw the company i am now working for intends to use a pedestrian operated tower crane on one of our sites due to the very nature of the site, 4 storey development, limited lay down areas on site. we also have over sailing issues either side of the new development, these are 4 storey apartment blocks. here lies the problem - if we leave the crane jib fully extended we will over sail the neighboring properties, this could be managed at site level during working hours by ensuring all loads are contained within the site boundary, however when left to free slew over night the jib of the crane will oversail he neighbouring properties. i have suggested that we fold back the cranes 3 sectional jib to limit or possibly prevent the over sailing issue, the crane supplier and crane manufacturer are not keen on this proposal and have quite cleraly stated that if we do this and the crane is damaged or collapses all the responsibility will lie with our company. is there anyone out there who can clarify the oversailing issue because the crane hire company are of the opinion that as long as no load is passed over the neighbouring properties there is not an issue. i tend to think that this is not so. many thaks in advance.

Posted By alex mccreadie APJW Because I work for a company who supply POTC's I would suggest you are using the wrong company as a supplier. There are many cranes on the market that should be able to comply with your needs. Their statement of we can fold it but if it collapses then it is your fault does not give out a positive message to a customer. PS I hope it is not one of our salesmen

Posted By Arran Linton - Smith Usually crane over sailing issues are either dealt with the provision of a lifting jib or compensation to the property owner. I have known cases where the property owner has been compensated £4000 a jib swinging over the corner of their garden! Usually compensation is a balance between the additional cost of a fixed and lifting jib. If the crane has already been installed, then this cost is likely to be much greater!

Posted By al wood the issue with the crane supplier has now been resolved. the company is going to use a crane hire company whom are quite happy for us to fold the jib when necessary. with regards to over sailing issues this really does seem to be a "grey" area with conflicting advice. some say that as long as a load is not passed over neighbouring properties (and the trolley is classed as a load i believe) then there are no oversailing issues. then again i have been informed that if the jib passess over the neighbouring properties then there is an oversailing issue. is there a craneage expert out there who can clarify this issue for me and give me some referance to quote to put closure on this matter. i have won the battle with the selection of crane just need to get the oversailing issue out the way to put some closure on this issue. thanks in advance al

Posted By alex mccreadie Al Arran's item is informative and his statement of when over sailing should be discussed completely correct. Sadly as already mentioned seems always to be left to the contractor to sort. I cannot within LOLER or BS7121 Parts 1 & 5 find anything to say that a jib can over sail if no load attached.(Not to say it isn't there) As usual you are left with the problem that if the Jib does over sail will the property owner accept that. Again I have seen some that will and some that will not. Sorry I cannot help you further. Regards Alex

Posted By Ste McKenzie Hi All, The situation i believe is that you need permission from the council to sail over their roads and permission from property 'owners' to sail over their properties. If you have all these permissions in writing then you are clear to start works. Hope this helps! ste

There has been more on this recently with the case in Northern Ireland. Some of the time a simple chat with the neighbours can sort out a lot of issues. Interestingly in New York there's a rule that if your crane oversails a building you must vacate the top three floors of that building for the duration of the project. http://www.mantiscranes....n-operated-tower-cranes/