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Posted By james2000
Dear All
I am working as HSE advisor for a company with some branches outside of UK,I am responsible to revise and modify HSE Procedures implementation of HSE management system . With considering section 4.4.1 Resources, roles, responsibility and authority which say:
The organization shall appoint member of Top Management with specific responsibility for OH&S ….Am I Management representative (top management appointee)??Can I Audit Health and Safety and Environmental management System which I have created and implemented?? or we need to select another person and train in internal Auditing ??
Any idea highly appreciated
James
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Posted By Martin CMIOSH
Are you top management?
When I did this - as EHS adviser - my manager who had a wide remit including services, maintenance, quality & HSE was appointed as the management rep. I set up and ran the system and audited operations - but had the Quality manager audit me in my capacity. This reviewed how I ran the system, rather than the technicalities that required specialist knowledge.
This worked well for us!
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Posted By Alexander Falconer
"the member of top management with responsibility for HSE matters", ask yourself the question, who has the ultimate responsibility? and that will clarify things
This role is very often a board level member, ie Director or Senior Manager
Any auditor conducting audits must be independant from the area/department being audited!
If you are coordinating HSE on a daily basis, and reporting issues to the board/management then you are acting onbehalf of them, and can be classed as a representative of Management, ie the Management Representative.
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Posted By james2000
I am Alone in HSE Section but par of project manegment team and reporting to Managing Director.
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Posted By PEP
The MA is usually the MD or a board member. If you are suitably senior that you set policy, allocate resources, set budgets and are ultimately responsible then there's no reason why it can't be you.
When I put these scenarios to a HSE Manager he usually agrees that the MA is the MD.
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Posted By james2000
Any other Idea???
James
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
In the context of 18001 the answer would always be that the Top Management representative should be a representative of the Top Management team for the organisation, relevant to the structure and location, so would not be you.
14001 follows the 9001 idea and is often a person appointed by top management as management representative. I would tend stick with the 18001 view.
You can, and must, audit your own system internally but do not forget that your own personal role activities within the system will need an auditor external to you.
Bob
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Posted By Jay Joshi
Refer to OHSAS 18002:2000; Guidelines
for the implementation of OHSAS 18001:1999
It actually gives the detailed requirements. It includes information that the OH&S management appointee should be a member of top management. The OH&S management appointee may be supported by other personnel who have delegated responsibilities for monitoring the overall operation of the OH&S function.
The requirement in the BS OHSAS 18001:2007 has not changed in this respect.
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Posted By james2000
Thanks for the comments
James
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter
James
I look after EHS like some of the others. For the auditing piece, I put in a paragraph saying that I'm auditing myself and should be audited by an external person to my dept as per ISO 19011, but no other person is available.
That done I continue to proceed to complete the audit.
So far had no complaints from our 3rd party accreditors. That you're acknowledging the audit is being openly performed.
Badger
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