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#1 Posted : 30 July 2008 12:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nigel Cresswell I have been asked by my company to produce some meaningful accident data but am having trouble trying to decide on which of these two indicators to use. I have been unable to find any information on the internet as to what others use so I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction. We are a construction company of about 200 employees and about 4 times that in subcontractors. Thanks in advance
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#2 Posted : 30 July 2008 15:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Spiers Nigel, in my opinion total accident, incident FR is best along with number of days lost in a severity rate. Although many get excited about reportables I think total days are much more meaningful as they are a measure of total loss and its only luck that a 1 to 3 day absence does not become a reportable yet if you concentrate on RIDDOR they do not get counted.
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#3 Posted : 30 July 2008 15:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Longworth I'll go along with what Alan says, Hello Alan by the way how is it going at Baxi these days? For a company with 200 employees I would say that the incident frequency rate using the following calculation: Total number of incidents X 100,000 / Total hours worked. That gives you a meaningful comparison between hours worked and accidents incurred. That way you can compare different sites, departments etc against each other. The other measure Alan mentioned was the severity rate. That is: Total days lost x 1000 / Total hours worked. Using that you get an idea of how many serious accidents are occurring that cause injury. Apologies if I'm appearing to teach a grandmother to suck eggs.
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#4 Posted : 30 July 2008 15:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Wendi Gibson OK maybe I need to learn to suck eggs - but why are you using the 100,000 and 10,000 multipliers? Is it just to get a workable size figure?
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#5 Posted : 30 July 2008 15:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Cornet I also ways thought the 100,000 multiplier used in accident frequency rates was based on the average amount of hours a person would work in their life time. I could be wrong!!
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#6 Posted : 31 July 2008 12:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Longworth It's mainly to make the figure look more meaningful I think. A company employing 200 people would work approx 30,000 hours a month. Larger companies sometimes use a factor of 1,000,000 but it might just as well be a factor of 10 it doesn't really matter what you use because it's only used to provide a comparison.
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#7 Posted : 31 July 2008 13:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By chris p jones Paul C, you are correct. 100,000 hours does represent an approximate working lifetime. As far as using a rate ensure that (if you are benchmarking against comparative HSE stats) that national rates use 100,000 hours and 100,000 employees as standards.
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#8 Posted : 31 July 2008 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi There are various accident rates used to compare accident statistics. The important factor is to ensure that you use the same multiplying factor as used in the data you are comparing. There is no fixed or standard multiplication factor (MF). The choice can be influenced by either the MF used in the data you are comparing or for the purpose trend analysis/projections, the rates have manageable “numbers”, i.e. not having too many zeros or decimal places! INCIDENT RATE= TOTAL NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS X 1000/ NUMBER OF PERSONS EMPLOYED ( i.e. accidents per 1000 employees ) Definition:- number of accidents per 1000 employees A factor of 100,000 is used by HSE for the “AIR” i.e. number of accidents per 100000 employees Definition:- number of accidents per 100 000 employees FREQUENCY RATE =TOTAL NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS X 1000000/TOTAL NUMBER OF MAN HOURS WORKED i.e. number of accidents per 1 000 000 hours worked) Definition:- number of accidents per 1 000 000 hours worked (Note:- Some tend to use a multiplication factor of 2000000 as this figure is the hours worked in a year by 1000 employees assuming they work 40 hours per week for 50 weeks in a year) SEVERITY RATE=TOTAL NUMBER OF DAYS LOST X 1000/TOTAL NUMBER OF MAN HOURS WORKED (i.e. average number of days lost per 1000 hours worked) Definition:- average number of days lost per 1000 hours worked MEAN DURATION RATE = TOTAL NUMBER OF DAYS LOST/TOTAL NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS(i.e. average number of days lost per accident) Definition:- average number of days lost per accident DURATION RATE=NUMBER OF MAN HOURS WORKED/TOTAL NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS(i.e. average number of man hours between accidents) Definition:- average number of man hours between accidents
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#9 Posted : 31 July 2008 13:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By N. Rigby We use an American system- Recordable incident rate that multiplies by 200000. It also uses 4 classifications of accidents(first aid, medical treatment, 1 & 2 day lost time and 3 day lost time)the latter 3 are recordable incidents Are you going to present on lost days due to health issues ie stress etc. Will you also be presenting the other side of the coin? ie leading indicators to highlight there effectiveness.
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#10 Posted : 31 July 2008 14:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi Most "American" systems use the OSHA Recording criteria, i.e. medical treatment, restricted work, lost time and fatality. Provision of first aid is not OSHA recordable, but has a prescriptive criteria of what constitutes first aid. Any type of accident rate statistic is a rective/lagging indicator. It is best to use both leading and lagging indicators.
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#11 Posted : 31 July 2008 15:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dominic Howkins Hi Nigel, The company i work for provide safety management solutions to a large number of construction clients. From our experience everyone is has different opinions on what they want for day to day management, what they want for board reports, how they want the data structured, what they want to record - there is no common answer. Have you got a solution helping you compile your data? This would be the best way to do it then you be able to present / analyse the data how you wanted whenever you wanted. Please feel free to give me a call or see www.myeix.com Hope this helps.
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#12 Posted : 01 August 2008 01:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Larkin Statistics, statistics, statistics - not my cup of tea or pint of beer. I would much rather concentrate on learning from accidents so as to increase the rate of prevention.
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#13 Posted : 01 August 2008 11:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Waldram One other key point is that statisitcs based on 'hours worked' don't mean much to most people. If you quote rates per 100 employees, most line managers & supervisors have a much better 'feel' for what that means. As it happens, 100 people work about 200,000 hours in a year, so the figures can also be compared with stats using the OSHA system. As Jay points out, HSE figures for UK are based on 100,000 workers - that may make sense on a national basis, but it's nonsense for most organisations. However, you'll see that most of the resulting figures are 1000 or more - so just divide them by 1000 and you get the rate per 100 employees. If your 200-person company has UK-average lost time rate it will be 2 per 100 per year. Of course, HSE don't have any data for injuries less severe than 3-day+ lost time, but OSHA standards help in that regard, and allow comparisons between organisations.
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#14 Posted : 01 August 2008 14:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Longworth as I said earlier it doesn't matter if you use 100,000 or 1,000,000 or any other figure, because the result is used for comparison purposes only. As long as you use the same figure as the area you are comparing against.
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#15 Posted : 05 August 2008 10:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Shane Bailey Good morning Nigel. I have been involved in tracking accident trends, etc for a while now covering an area over Kent and South London for one of the UK rail operators in engineering. Basically, we run by four-week periods, but you can do the math by months too. You need at least two years data to get a good figure, and then when you're at December, total the amount of the year and divide by 12. Keep this running by month as your "moving annual average". I usually break this down by personnel, location, incident category, injury, lost time and root cause - I have definitions for all of those categories too, so I'm able to see where the problems are, if any arise. Regards, Shane Bailey QHSE Advisor Southeastern
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#16 Posted : 23 October 2008 08:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By sree What is the criteria used for calculating severity rates for fatal/total disablement cases.
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