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#1 Posted : 14 August 2008 11:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim One day last week while collecting lunch at a restaurant I overhead a member of the serving staff talking about her blue wound dressing having gone missing and she could not find it anywhere. Can you guess where I found it - in the middle of my steak baguette. I just though I'd see what your thoughts are and wonder what can be done about this type of incident?
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#2 Posted : 14 August 2008 11:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Merchant My thoughts would be to eat someplace else tomorrow. Dressings are blue so that even a half-blind fool in a candlelit cellar can see them (except if you're preparing raw prawns...) so "hmm.. wonder where my plaster went?...." is not something you should expect to overhear. If someone is daft enough to 'lose' one, then they shouldn't be handing out food to people until they've relocated it! You want mayo on that, or just the hepatitis?
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#3 Posted : 14 August 2008 12:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By A Campbell Then again... the act of placing a visible dressing did what it says on the tin! Maybe manager should have advised to wear hygeinic glove... hope you got a refund and a free lunch out of it?
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#4 Posted : 14 August 2008 12:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis I reckon you would have to be plastered before you go back in there !
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#5 Posted : 14 August 2008 12:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By N Smith At least you found it Crim!! I bought a sandwich in a Cafe and was chewing what I thought was a tough piece of meat - turned out to be a blood filled plaster. The girl making my sandwich had cut her finger, put on a plaster (flesh coloured) and then lost the plaster as she finished the sandwich. Unfortunatley she did not realise until I chewed it - Not Nice
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#6 Posted : 14 August 2008 12:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By A Campbell Amazing what they put into sandwiches these days... and that's not including the fat & salt content!
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#7 Posted : 14 August 2008 12:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham When handling food hands will almost always become contaminated with fats (butter, marge, etc.) and wet. Frequent hand washing will almost certainly occur, as possibly the use of an alcohol-based sanitising rub. All of these will increase the potential for a plaster to become detached. Once this has happened not only is the worker exposed to a high risk of body uptake by sensitising substances, but the reverse, i.e. the contamination of the food by body fluids, will become a real possibility. Thus I would take the view that where a plaster has to be worn on the hand, a suitable glove should then be worn. For optimum protection and dexterity I would go for an unpowdered, natural rubber latex glove rather than vinyl of nitrile. (And if anyone thinks that a natural rubber latex glove of this type is a health hazard, take a look at the real evidence.) Chris
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#8 Posted : 14 August 2008 12:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Thanks to all so far.............. The establishment is a charity and I was attending as an all inclusive therapy break, no charge for meals etc. I was given a replacement sandwich but just could not take a bite! (surprise surprise!) As a charity they are funded from donations so a bit less professional than other well funded organisations. Of course this should not make a difference to their procedures etc. I did ask to see the food hygiene policy and was allowed to. The incident occurred a week ago and I have not fallen ill yet.
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#9 Posted : 14 August 2008 12:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By In need of help Dont want to put a downer on in Crim but incubation for Hep B takes 4-12 weeks. LOL
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#10 Posted : 14 August 2008 13:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By In need of help Crim slightly more sensible post now ! The blue plasters used in the food industry, correct me if I'm wrong, have a small metal eliment that can be detected if used in food production ie factories via a detector. I should imagine that most "fast food" outlets we buy our sandwiches, burgers etc will not have this facility so the only option should be to wear a plaster covered by latex/plastic gloves.
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#11 Posted : 14 August 2008 14:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By SBH Eliminate the problem ... make your own.
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#12 Posted : 14 August 2008 14:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By lisa mccaulder its an offence under the Food Safety Act and the General Food Hygiene Regs - don't ask me to quote chapter and verse - its years since I did this stuff. Assuming you've kept the evidence you have two options: Use the evidence to try and get a pay out from the business concerned - threaten them with a report to the local authority EHO Go direct to the relevant local authority environmental health team and inform them what has happened. They will provide expert advice and support and EHOs are excellent at handling this sort of thing. Morally option 2 should be your choice cos that is indicative of a very lax approach to food hygiene - but thats just my opinion.... Lsia..
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#13 Posted : 14 August 2008 15:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By PBH Crim, I would concur with A. Campbell in that the blue plaster did its job. It is unlikely that an EHO would recommend formal action if written systems were in-place (HACCP). Some blue plasters have metal strips and some don't. I personally like flourescent green ones! The Offence would now come under the Food Hygiene (England) Regs 2006 as a contravention of Reg (EC) 852/2004. Anyway nearly time for cider Paul
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#14 Posted : 14 August 2008 16:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Errup In light of one or more posts, may I be the one to point out Crim has said it is a charity :-)
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#15 Posted : 14 August 2008 16:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By lisa mccaulder Good Point from Phil. I think even I would be reluctant to go the enforcement route then!
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#16 Posted : 14 August 2008 16:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Errup pressed send too soon. Crim are you a firefighter, and when you ask what can be done about this type of incident, what do you mean? Do you mean to prevent it happening again, or what action are you entitled to take? Regards Phil
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#17 Posted : 14 August 2008 18:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Phil, and all, The action I took at the time was to first take the baguette to the person who had lost her plaster and she apologised to me and offered me a replacement meal which I accepted. Later I saw the Manager who also apologised and promised to look further into the incident which he said should not have happened. I also had a look at their hygiene policies and offered some advice that was gratefully accepted. I will not be taking any further action but am interested in your opinions. Among the advice I gave was to go further than to just put rules in place but to ask the "what if" questions and introduce a procedure regarding what to do when, for example, a plaster goes missing.
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#18 Posted : 14 August 2008 18:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Crim "What if" Those two words that are so often forgotten when doing a risk assessment. I always say to when training: "Think about what you would do if things go wrong. It's a bit late when you have splashed that bleach in your eye at home when cleaning the toilet and it is burning badly and you cannot see to then think of reading the label to find out what to do." A simple concept that seems to make most people think. Of course, applies at work as well. Chris Nice glass of dry Riesling waiting!
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