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#1 Posted : 19 August 2008 08:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By jess33 A scaffold company have errected us a scaffold tower. Following errection the group of scaffolders have attached a no unauthorised entry tag. I notice the scaffolders have not inspected or tagged the scaffold, I presume I do not let anyone access/work on the scaffold until inspected by a competent scaffolder and signed off as being ok to use/access?. Users are painters we are not competent to inspect the scaffold. Any ideas, apart from get the 'competent' scaffolder/s back to inspect? Many thanks
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#2 Posted : 19 August 2008 08:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Amandac Jess The scaffold should be inspected on handover from the Scaffold Co, and then every 7 calendar days, and after an event which could compromise the integrity or inclement weather (if outside) until it is struck. The inspector will need to be competent and qualified. Hope this answers your question.
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#3 Posted : 19 August 2008 08:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By jess33 Many thanks for your fast response, much appreciated. Already expressed this to the contractor that has subed out some of the job to the scaffolders. Contractors reply was "if this continues I'm not interested in working here". To be clear "this" means "signing in and out, method statements, risk assessments". Tuesday morning 07:50, great start to a day... Why is all this a surprise to these contractors?. He's up and down the country working on construction projects and apparantly I'm the only one asking him for risk assessments..it just cant be true.. and dont get him on the subject of permits "the H&S guy before you didn't ask us to do any of this, we've been coming here for 30 years and never had an accident" Anyway many thanks and appologies rant over with..... Regards
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#4 Posted : 19 August 2008 08:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh The fault surely lies not with the contractors, but with the contractor selection procedure. The issues about RAs, SSOWs, PTWS and all the rest of it should be resolved way before they get on site.
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#5 Posted : 19 August 2008 09:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bluenose I would ask to see the scaffolders card I think it is CISRS (look on the CSCS card web site). Who will be inspecting it before it is used anyway? Don't forget the work at height regs states ( i think) that all employers have a duty to inspect the scaffold before use. Who will be doing it from the painters side?
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#6 Posted : 19 August 2008 14:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Hodgson I agree with the last posting the issues surronding the scaffolding work should have been sorted out before the job started the contractors comments around I wont work here again could be the best things he as said to you ( never again comes to mind !! ) you want to work with somebody thats wants to work safely & is prepared to listen to you
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#7 Posted : 23 August 2008 19:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By rees davies Jess, as far as I understand and according to TG:20 issued by the NASC and accepted by the HSE, at least one person within the squad should be a CISRS advanced scaffolder. An advanced scaffolder is able to inspect a scaffold and then sign off the scaff tag and record the results in the F91. If your contarctor has erected a scaffold for you and has now left the job he/she is blagging it. Did your company check the scaffold company out? Is the job a street job? Regards Rees
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#8 Posted : 26 August 2008 10:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Rees Hope they are not using the F91 - it became obselete a decade+ ago!! But still it does show the competence of many organisations because I have to admit they still use the term in talking to me. My advice is always to keep the scaffolder on site until the scaffold is inspected and accepted. By all means you could contract the erection company to do the inspections if you do not have the skills. Clearly this team did not have the skills to inspect though as you can only accept a scaffold in good order at handover!! They are saying it is not in good order and theerefoere the contract to supply is not completed. Bob
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#9 Posted : 26 August 2008 10:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Now where is that mention of dyslexic typing!!!:-) Bob
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#10 Posted : 26 August 2008 11:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter Robert; what's so wrong with using F91 forms? They're not mandatory I know, but they still serve a purpose to record 7 day inspections do they not? Jess33: You describe a "no unauthorised entry" sign - I guess the standard prohibition sign. That sign would apply equally to an inspected, compliant and properly handed-over scaffold. It doesn't mean the scaffold is incomplete or unsafe.
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#11 Posted : 31 August 2008 23:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By pat merchant jesse Surely it is the responsibility of anyone using a scaffold to ensure that the inspection tag is in place before using it? If its not inplace then its up to the supervisor/mangager to ring the scaffold company and ask why there is no tag and come back and re-inspect and tag. ispections should be at regular intervals and take into account of anything that may affect its condition including weather,use and damage inflicted on it. You use it and you check its tag and its condition before use as a tag is no proof of its condition on the day.long way to fall if you dont Pat
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#12 Posted : 02 September 2008 00:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By john houlihan Dear All, Just to clarify a few points made: Quite right the F91 is obsolete. Quite right the scaffold is required to be handed over following a thorough inspection, once all parties are happy and the scaffold structure is accepted; Please note an inspection by the same scaffold company may be a biased one! the scaffold becomes the responsibility of the hirer/main contractor, as regards seven day inspections. A ScaffTag does not constitute as an inspection but is merely an indicator that an inspection has taken place, in which case a recorded formal inspection report will be available. All too common are scaffold structures with a scafftag in place with no recorded inspections made. In the case of the aforementioned scaffold contractor; they should not be allowed to strike a blow until a risk assessment was put in place. Just to clarify another point: all scaffolders are required to be competent, ie. CISRS. The only time an untrained person would be allowed to work at height is when they were actually being trained. I wish you the best of luck.
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#13 Posted : 02 September 2008 01:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By john houlihan jess 33: What is the geographical location of the tower? if further assistance is required, please come back to me 07930606665.
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#14 Posted : 02 September 2008 08:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Scafftags are no guarantee of any inspection - they are simply a useful visual aid to deteremine the current status of the scaffold. Many erection teams would like to leave it uninspected and scaff tagged as such. They believe it absolves them from responsibility for any fault found. As for the F91 one has to rember that this form does not require all the information listed within the Workplace regulations and thus needs to be extended- it is not then an F91. Bob
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