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Posted By steve g
Had an issue today ,a trade union elected safety rep went to a care home of which i am responsible for the companies health and safety
apparently the lock off isolator was too high even though we had an engineer of theirs check before installation,therefore we advised there was no requirement to move it as a safety mat and pupose built ladder was available to lock off
however the safety rep recommended lowering the switch to enable isolation from standing on floor level ,however i advised this could not be achieved easily as residents walking around the home could potentially isolate the lift carriage whilst the lift was in use
any ideas welcomed on this
steve
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I'm with you Steve. It's up there for a reason.
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Am I reading this correctly? The lock off is to isolate the lift, if so why would anyone other than amaintenance engineer need to operate the lock off? Why have it in a position that anyone can operate it? I don't know of anyone having access to such a devise in relation to operating the lift in normal working conditions. Tell the rep that it is too costly to have it moved into a position whereby anyone can have access to it resulting in interference and say NO.
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Posted By Anthony Edwards
Steve,
He/she is a safety rep from what your initial post says, I may be incorrect but he/she is not an advisor.
Explain that the lift will require isolation whilst maintenance is conducted and there could be a chance of it being switched on if at a reachable height.(Would be locked under PTW I know but does the rep)?
Nutty
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Posted By steve g
hi yes the problem is the elected safety rep is also the lift engineer ,however i had the head of health and safety down as i did not agree and he agrees with us but wants to tread careful mmmm not sure what to say about that!
the lift company will locate at no cost to us im told, i have now sugested that if they want it lower they provide a lockable cabinet to put it in of which the key will be with the person in charge of the building and unlocked when the maintenance person calls,seems a bit ott to me perhaps he dont like steps!
steve
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Am I reading you correctly that this lock off is in an general access area. This seems a little odd as the normal position is within the lift motor room. Alternatively are you referring to a wheelchair type lift, enclosed, in which case the lock off isolator ought to be local to the power supply distribution board.
Bob
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Posted By A Campbell
Hi Steve,
Maybe is view is to avoid working at height by placing the switch lower?
I'd expect access would be limited to throwing a switch/locking off .. time minimal, once every 6 months or infrequent breakdowns?
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I had assumed what was actually being described was a Fireman's Switch - necessarily and quite deliberately placed out of reach of everyone else!
Steve G has the task of confirming what this switch is for (and ensuring via electrical test and inspection regime that it will function when it has to!).
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Posted By steve g
hi all yes it is a wheelchair and persons lift in a care home,they did not want the isolator in the lift motor room as they wanted to lock off before getting to the motor room,at present the isolator is at 6ft 4ish and isolates power to the lift and switch assembly leaving only power to the in room lighting,for maintenance and testing purposes
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Posted By steve g
yes with regards working at height ,i fully appreciate that concern which is why we have a purpose built ladder and safety electrical flooring in a nearby locked storeroom so that access is allowed for these infrequent checks and brakdown scenario,whilst ladders are not ideal this is one that is secured and has been approved by their own h and safety reps,their is a maintenance person on site who would at most normal times even carry the ladder for him
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Posted By Colin
Shouldn't the isolator be accessible in order to assure the safety of personnel carrying out maintenance?
Colin.
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Posted By John Richards
Shouldn't the isolator also be capable of being locked in the off position ?
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