Posted By Hazel Harvey The posting relating to CSCS cards has been removed by the IOSH moderators. I have been asked to post the definative position regarding IOSH membership and the card again for forum users clarification. This is: 'OSH Membership and the CSCS card IOSH membership can be used as part of the application process for CSCS cards, using the professional membership mapped route (PMMR). The following cards are available for IOSH members once you have successfully completed one of the multi-choice touch screen tests. Professional Qualified Person’s card (Yellow) for members who are not permanently resident on a construction site. These cards allow 30 days of visits in any 6 month period. This is not to be confused with the more simple visitors card which allows people to make deliveries to site and similar. The card will show that it relates to strategic health and safety management. . • All Graduate Members (Grad IOSH), Chartered Members (CMIOSH) and Chartered Fellows (CFIOSH) may obtain this card once they have completed the PQP test, however, you will be required to verify your experience in the construction industry by submitting a CV with your application. Additionally Technician Members (Tech IOSH) who hold the NEBOSH Construction Certificate are also eligible. For members who are operating on sites on a full-time basis the following options are available: • Construction Health and Safety Manager’s card (Platinum) for Chartered Members and Fellows (CMIOSH/CFIOSH) who have passed either the H&S Managers or PQP test. • Construction Health and Safety Officer’s card (Gold) for Graduate Members (Grad IOSH) who have passed either the H&S Supervisors or PQP test • Trainees card (Red) for supervisors and managers who hold level 3 qualifications for Technician Members (Tech IOSH) who hold a NEBOSH Construction Certificate who have passed either the all CSCS card holders: It should be noted that the PQP test takes precedence over the other tests so it is strongly recommended that IOSH members should take this test which would allow them to obtain a higher level card if their circumstances change. (An example of this would be a Graduate Member becoming a Chartered Member and upgrading their Gold card to Platinum). Tests are valid for 2 years for application of a card and cards are valid for 5 years. The Black Senior Health and Safety Manager’s card will be available to holders of the NVQ level 5 in OSH Practice only. In all cases IOSH will verify the membership categories of applicants to the CSCS cards you will not be required to ask another member to verify this. For resident’s cards the signature of an employer or in the case of a consultant or self-employed member, a client, will also be required on the application form. Members wishing to apply for a CSCS card can apply via www.cscs.uk.com.' Hazel Harvey Professional Affairs Director.

Posted By Hazel Harvey Tony, This is the agreement that IOSH made with CSCS with regards to recognition of membership categories within the scheme. There are other methods of obtaining a CSCS card as well. Hazel Harvey

Posted By A Campbell Geoff, I and others will proberly have had similar experiences. The CSCS scheme is an industry led system and is up to each individual company (PC) to decide how they run things on their own individual sites. There is a history of inconsistencies and after reading the local paper on my way home… adverts for pass your CSCS test here! I’m unsure that the whole ethos is being used effectively. I’m sure that some of the major projects T5 for example carried it out in a more thorough way than projects in the city that do not. I think that at the end of the day it appears that the PC dictates and what he/she says go’s! Tony

Posted By Hazel Harvey Geoff, This agreement was made in October 07. Hazel Harvey

Posted By A Campbell Teaboy.. (no sugar pls!) The closest I got was to write the number onto the induction form!

Posted By GeoffB4 Thanks Hazel. A rhetorical question: You'd think wouldn't you, that CSCS would advertise any changes to card holders?

Posted By philip john Hazel When I applyed for the CSCS card as TechIOSH & Nebosh Construction certificate they informed me that the Nebosh Construction certificate was not a recognised qualification but TechIOSH was. So someone does not have all the facts on this issue be it yourself Hazel or the 2 or 3 staff at CSCS headquarters. Can CSCS or anyone else confirm it straight is Nebosh construction cert recognised or not with CSCS If its not then the company is not doing it's self any favour with Health & safety professional through this forum I'm on my 4 nebosh course (on diploma final unit (unit C) and all I got was a red trainee card as the principle contractors health & safety advisor. The problem with CSCS cards is that they are not law to have them but they seem to think a 10 min touch screen is more competent that 4 years of health & safety learning. Sort it out guys or your cards will be history as organisations will abandon them for other systems You have been advised Phil

Posted By murray-t I am a Tech IOSH who holds the Construction certificate and has done CITB Site manager’s course. I work for a construction company on their many sites. We require all our site employee’s and Sub contractors to have and indeed show us their CSCS cards before we allow them to work for us. I contacted CSCS to ask which card would be best for me to apply for and was informed that the yellow Construction Site Visitor’s card would be the only card I would be eligible to receive. So four weeks ago that’s what I applied for. Now even though I’m on site everyday and have to ensure that all our employee’s have the correct card, I am classed as a visitor to my own site.

Posted By graeme12345 It's a money making scheme that does nothing to help prevent accidents on site. Why did IOSH not fight in it's members corner for automatic free inclusion (for whatever membership category) into this unnecessary scheme? While others were berating this scheme at start up what benefits did IOSH see in it that others did not?

Posted By Anthony Edwards Totally agree graeme12345. If you grabbed ten people off the street and asked them to sit the test I'm convinced 90% would pass. Nutty

Posted By James M IOSH shouldn't be assisting members get cards unless they are competent. If I was to transfer to the food or nuclear sector I would expect to do my homework and pass any relevant tests that are appropriate for that industry. I took a NHS health and safety professional around a building site and she was amazed at the things she didn't know about the construction sector. But, to change the angle slightly, would she have passed a CSCS test? probably!!

Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy Can you reword that question please?