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#1 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Shaw
Hi,

It has recently come to my attention via anonymous tip off that a member of our office furniture installation team has, what was described to me as a "Glass Back". Emotive language I know, but the the person reporting the alleged injury was trying to prove a point. This individual has been a member of the insallation team for about 7 years and has never had any formal Manual Handling training. I Know, this is a disgrace, I've only been in post since the 01/08/08

I was also told that the person involved would be likely to deny the injury through a fear of loosing his job (this wouldn't happen) or at least being asked to take on lighter duties, possibly supervisory.

I'm looking for some advice as to how to proceed.
Some form of professional medical examination seems to be an option but I'm concerned that this individual may be able to fake not having a bad back as easily as some can fake having one.

I'm mindful of a potentially large claim possibly years in the future if this situation is allowed to go unchecked.

Any advice gratefully received.

Thanks

Andrew
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#2 Posted : 21 October 2008 14:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By SARA TAYLOR
I would have a medical carried out, and i would probably also advise/offer him to see an osteopath at the companies expense until the problem is rectified.
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#3 Posted : 21 October 2008 15:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By MickN
Talk to your HR department first, assuming you've got one. This is as much about HR as it is safety. Tread carefully and remember you don't want to fall foul of employment rights.

Mick
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#4 Posted : 21 October 2008 15:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill01
Isn't this hearsay, if the individual tells you they do not have a back problem I would log that, get them trained and carry out a risk assessment if there isn't one already.
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#5 Posted : 21 October 2008 15:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By b-s
I suggest getting the RA's and training done and speaking openly with this man, if he say's he has no problem then so be it, if however he "confesses" then you need to do something about it not only to cover your self and the compnay but to ensure that this chap gets some intervention treatment, then obviously re-role him if ness.

I think H&S has a bad case of the OOOOOH'S and to overcome this we all need to know what we are talking about (knowledge)and when doing our jobs we need to convince people that we are there for them first and that H&S is about enabling work not a bl**dy excuse for not doing it.
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#6 Posted : 21 October 2008 15:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Futcher
oops - pressed the wrong button sorry
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#7 Posted : 21 October 2008 15:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Futcher
I have to
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#8 Posted : 21 October 2008 15:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Futcher
I have to agree with Bill01 about hearsay. What real evidence do you have that this person has a bad back?

It could be that there is a vendetta going on against this person.

Record in your diary that someone has made an allegation; even contact your Occ Health Dept and inform them, but you should do nothing specific about this person's alleged problem.

Potential HR issue if ever I heard one.

Ian
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#9 Posted : 21 October 2008 16:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Shaw
Thanks for all responses.

HR have been informed.

And I agree with various contributors who have highlighted that this is only an alleged problem.

The difficulty, if deciding to act, was that initial contact..... Excuse me, I hear you have a bad back.....

Thanks again.

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#10 Posted : 21 October 2008 18:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis
I reckon you should be givening the training needed as it went further you could be in trouble.I no its the resposibility of the employer as well but if you are a where of it its also up to you to do some thing!
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#11 Posted : 21 October 2008 20:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
Andrew

To the extent that back injury risk management is relevant to your larger programme of risk management, you can reasonably institute an assessment and training programme annuallly for ALL staff for whom handling loads is a key performance indicator.

The assessment can validly consist of a visit to a gym in which you ask each 'manual loader' to carry out a series of lifting tasks on a graded set of free weights. From that, you can gather data on capability, training needs and vulnerability to injury.

This process can be standardised with reference to British norms of anthrompetric data,

Any personalisation then arises solely out of a risk assessment and is 100% compliant with disability discrimination and employment rights laws as well as relevant safety laws.
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#12 Posted : 22 October 2008 16:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic
I would take note of the comments made. It wouldn't be correct to single this guy out for a medical on the say so of another employee. Get some M/H training done ASAP and take it from there.
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#13 Posted : 23 October 2008 09:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Do the simple thing, ask the guy the question 'Have you got as problem with your back' and go from there. Don't say how you got the idea he has a back problem just have a friendly chat and reassdure him it is unofficial and show you care about his position by explaining that if he has aback problem you want to help sort it out becuase it is not just his work that could be affected but his general health and life style. It is not possible to hide a back problem, it may be easy to fake one, but not hide one. Then go from there, show you care about the guy not just the company.
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