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#1 Posted : 24 October 2008 10:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy If you read my initial post you will see that I never advocated not teaching children what is safe and what is not. That would be ridiculous. What I said was that teaching safety (the subject) in the workplace should stay firmly routed in the work place. Some of you got lost in the moment, and the reason I commented on school activities was not just my own childrens experience but because I worked in a school environment for ten years. I would never underestimate the advantage of teaching young people about general hazard and risk but to teach workplace safety anywhere else but the work place is a nonsense. You wouldnt take kids in the library for a football coaching session would you?
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#2 Posted : 24 October 2008 10:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safety officer So with your logic where do you think they should teach sex education? In a brothel?
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#3 Posted : 24 October 2008 10:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Casanova Tony, I'm with you training and teaching has to have some relevance, particularly with young children. Hence the reason it took me 2 years (attempts) to pass my Electrical and Electronic Principles as a welder! Teach 'em to wear goggles in metalwork but why go any further if they are going to work in a shop? Casanova X
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#4 Posted : 24 October 2008 10:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sen Sar Normally I would shout LOUD edaucation education education BUT its all about how its done. Many many moons ago both my sister and myself had the same sex education video shown to us at the age of approx 12yrs. (this was in the late 1960's) The video was a woman giving birth screaming, blood the whole nine yards at that time my sister said NEVER will I have children.....and now mid fifties she has not had children and this "education" was certainly the reason. What bothers me is that some education can cause fear. It would be wrong to educate todays children only to find they are too fearful of doing things and while this may only happen to a small % it certainly could happen. Educate certainly, but tread careful with these young, intelligent and impressionable minds. Sar
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#5 Posted : 24 October 2008 10:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Craven Sorry - I think I understood your initial posting perfectly well, and still wholly disagree with your views and outlook on this issue, for the reasons I have given in the other thread and the many other contributions provided by other posters. Good luck to IOSH (with "WHAC", "wiseup2work", ec) and to George Haworth MP (with his private members bill in parliament). Let's do what we can to prepare young people for a safe and healthy working life. Mike
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#6 Posted : 24 October 2008 11:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs I think I understood you too. I am still trying to educate people around me, and I am sure that some of this could be achieved at school level - many children are headed into workplaces where good information is not only unavailable, but undermined by poor management attitudes. If reading this forum has not convinced you of that, nothing will. As I said on the other thread, most of the learning at that level is abstract, and yet it is still there. I don't know where you live, or where you got your experience, but I am hopeful it is not a nation-wide issue. Teaching people, of whatever age, their basic rights in employment must be laudable. My training was in the apprentice school for a year's off the job training, in the relative safety of a controlled environment, and day release at the College - I would not liked to have gone straight from school into a toolroom or production line. The number of injuries show you that young people are hitting work without rudimentary appreciation of hazard and risk. Hopefully the IOSH programme can correct that for some.
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#7 Posted : 24 October 2008 13:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Coming a bit late to this thread, my opinions, for what they are worth are : Schools : different types of educational activity require thier own safety introductions : * lab safety in the lab, * workshop safety in the workshops * sports safety in the gym or locker room etc. Same in the workplace. Just for the record, sex education should start in the home. Where quite a lot of it happens. Mind you, mine didn't. (the education I mean) Merv
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#8 Posted : 24 October 2008 13:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze We have now locked the thread to which this refers in order to prevent parallel postings. It can be found at: http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...um=1&thread=39693&page=1 Feel free to continue the discussion on this thread.
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#9 Posted : 24 October 2008 14:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By IOSH Moderator We have now locked the thread to which this refers in order to prevent parallel postings. It can be found at: http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...um=1&thread=39693&page=1 Feel free to continue the discussion on this thread. Jon
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#10 Posted : 24 October 2008 17:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 Tony, I also think I understood you well enough. Your comment " but to teach workplace safety anywhere else but the work place is a nonsense" is the specific part that I disagree with. There are, of course, some things that cannot be taught outside the living workplace but there are many that can and should be taught. We should avoid confusing life skills with safety. Meeting the challenges of the Diplomas is one example of where industry, commerce and schools will have to co-operate to provide learning with a more focused work based content. Some of that will be classroom and some will be in the workplace. This is about getting kids to think about and assimilate knowledge whilst in a learning environment. The sort of knowledge that underpins sensible risk judgements and that they can learn to use so that when they arrive in that real world of yours they will do so with probably more knowledge about H&S than the average employee. It is possible and it is happening; it just needs to be better.
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