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#1 Posted : 28 October 2008 15:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steph Hello all. Have any of you had experience of 'Anti Syringe' Gloves? Our staff occasionally come across a discarded used needle which they must collect using a grab stick into a sharps box. Staff are trained in this task and also required to wear appropriate foootwear when doing this. There is no history of accident/injury using this method. One manager has requested that he buy these gloves for his team, saying that they are easier to use. He is concerned that staff may drop the needle using the stick, which he says won't happen with the gloves. I disagree, but want to get users' feedback before making an informed decision. I've revisited the risk assessment and watched the staff doing the task, and I can't see any reason to move to the gloves. Looking at the gloves, they do appear quite cumbersome and I wonder how easy it is to pick up a needle; but I haven't used them. I understand that some local authorities use the gloves, and wonder if this is to encompass all sharp items the refuse collectors may come across; I've asked our local council for advice but am waiting ...... I'd welcome your comments. Thanks, Stephanie
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#2 Posted : 28 October 2008 16:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bossa nova Steph, There are various types available offering a range of dexterity, rule of thumb, the more dexterous the more expensive speak to your supplier to get details on the range available Boss Nova
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#3 Posted : 28 October 2008 16:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Blenkharn I have done quite a lot of work on, and published extensively about limitations of PPE and other approaches to managing sharps, for sharps users and those involved in waste management. I have also dealt with injury claims and related cases for the Courts. There are of course many pros and cons to the situation that you describe, and no doubt much more information that may be relevant that space does not allow you to provide, or me to consider here. Feel free to get in touch if you want to take this further. Email address at the head of this message, or give me a call on 0208 569 8316
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#4 Posted : 28 October 2008 16:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Having done quite a lot of tests on supposedly syringe proof gloves there is only one glove that I have found that really does prevent needles from penetrating. The others have all failed my tests at some time. The only glove that did work was the Stickstopp glove from KCL in Germany, but dexterity is not that great. Needles break or bend rather than penetrate. However, they are also extremely expensive, although they do last. Perhaps more importantly, keep in mind that PPE is a "last resort" and that moving to gloves from the grab stick might put you in contravention of the hierarchy of controls required by COSHH. My view, for what it is worth, would be to stick with the grab stick. Safer and almost certainly legally more compliant. Chris
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#5 Posted : 28 October 2008 17:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Hi Steph Last time I sourced suitable gloves [several years ago] they were £165 per pair, albeit we would have got a discount. Grab sticks MUCH cheaper and I agree with Chris probably more effective control measure. Regards, Peter
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#6 Posted : 28 October 2008 17:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Steph PPE is the last resort; stick to the grab sticks. Paul
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#7 Posted : 29 October 2008 08:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Just as a comment - why not use disposable forceps? In my experience most people find them easier to manipulate and there are no issues of sterilisation after use. Bob
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#8 Posted : 29 October 2008 10:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By LMR the syringes cease to be a danger requiring anti-syringe gloves if they can be seen and they can be dealt with quite safely with the grab stick and being placed into an appropriate sharps bin or disposal box. The problem is find them; we use anti syringe gloves when we open vehicles to scrap them in case they are hidden around bonnet catches or under seats. They are most dangerous before found so if the job involved putting hands in places where they are likely the anti-syringe gloves are worth the £100 odd quid a pair; if not and they are visible then a grab stick is sufficient.
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#9 Posted : 29 October 2008 11:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By OBee Same problem. Grab sticks are best in my opinion, less contact the better!
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#10 Posted : 31 October 2008 11:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steph Thank you everyone - I really do appreciate your responses and advice. My decision will be to continue to use the grabsticks. Thanks again, Stephanie
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#11 Posted : 31 October 2008 12:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By warwick.jones One other thought... We advocate the use of litter pickers rather than the over sized tweezers/forceps because if the needle and syringe does slip out your hands and feet are further away and less likely to be stuck by the needle - syringes have been known to jump out of the grips akin to picking up a bar of soap etc! Regards Warwick
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#12 Posted : 31 October 2008 12:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel get the MD to work with the gloves for a day or so - I feel that you would then go for the sticks if that happened
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