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#1 Posted : 16 November 2008 06:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hossam Hi I just have an argument here in my workplace about this subject..and I am after an advice.. Is there any regulation prohibits the use of crane man-basket in transferring gas bottles from one level to an other?? thanks in advance Hossam
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#2 Posted : 16 November 2008 09:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis Not to sure but is it safe to do so has there been a risk assessment etc etc. I wouldnt like to as you say its called a Manbasket not a Compressed gas bottle basket.
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#3 Posted : 16 November 2008 10:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hossam ok..it is not a common practice..but that was an exceptional flame cutting job for an awkward location on steel structure platform (70m height)where manbasket was the reasonable solution (extended hoses were not applicable at the time) so I took that deceision but was argued by an inspector.. so back to the question..is there a piece of regulation preventing that..? thanks HOSSAM
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#4 Posted : 16 November 2008 10:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis Type in regulations on crane manbaskets on googles may help.
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#5 Posted : 16 November 2008 11:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By alex mccreadie Hossam Providing you complied with the criteria as laid down in LOLER regulation 5. Then followed the best practice as shown in BS 7121 PART 1 you can work from a man riding basket. Basically you cannot exceed the SWL or WLL of the basket and all tools and equipment must be secured. All other working at height requirements must be fulfilled. Regards Alex
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#6 Posted : 16 November 2008 11:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hossam appreciate it Alex thanks
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#7 Posted : 16 November 2008 12:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By GT Hossam, My understanding is that the man basket operation is specific. Subject to strict limitations, tests and applications of a permit/certificate procedure. The use is for access to a point to work and working only, not for the transportation of any material other than tools for the job. Any material required needs to be part of a separate lift. I appreciate that there are many out there with different thoughts but that's how it should be applied on my site. Regards GT
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#8 Posted : 16 November 2008 14:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hossam GT Thanks..but does that mean I can use other basket or cage to lift LPG cylinders? ..in other words,just because manbasket is originally called "man" basket,then I Can't use it in other purposes even within its SWL limits,can I?.. Regards Hossam
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#9 Posted : 16 November 2008 16:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By James M depending on the size and weight of the gas cylinder(s) the SWL of the manrider may be exceeded.
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#10 Posted : 16 November 2008 17:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safety officer I suppose in reality there is very little 'prohibited' by legislation so personally I don't think it is. Maybe the problem would be if there was a fire/explosion with the bottles in the basket the employee wouldn't stand a chance. As with everything else its on the basis of risk. But to answer your specific question I would say no.
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#11 Posted : 16 November 2008 17:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By alex mccreadie Hossam Everybody is entitled to their opinion. You have done nothing wrong if you do as I said follow LOLER Regulations and BS7121 PART 1 for best practice. Robust Risk assessments a good clear Lift Plan and carry on. Regards Alex
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#12 Posted : 16 November 2008 20:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eddie Campbell Hossam I don’t know of any legislation in the UK that would prohibit the transfer of gas bottles by man riding baskets. In the fabrication industry as an example, man riding baskets are designed and maintained to suit many different work activities such as scaffolding build and strip, rigging build and strip, cantilever access baskets, emergency rescue baskets and just plain old simple access baskets. Basket capacity is usually marked on a UID plate with the maximum SWL in tonnes and the maximum permitted number of people on board. These can range from 2 men baskets, the more common 4 man baskets and for the multi access baskets 12 men or more. The use of gas cutting equipment in man riding baskets is a fairly common activity in the heavy steel fabrication business. From first hand experience of using gas cutting equipment and man riding baskets in a former life I have found that this was the most effective method of carrying out certain activities in that type of industry. Apply the logic of Risk Assessment as other posters have noted and comply with the Regulations and Standards as Alex has confirmed and all should be well. However all of the above assumes that you are working within the UK but I suspect you may be located more East of here and a lot warmer ;-{) Regards Eddie
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#13 Posted : 17 November 2008 05:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hossam Many many thanks to all who given advice Safety officer,James,Alex and Eddie..thank you you were very helpful.. oh..Eddie ..yes I am located outside UK..But in my workplace we are sort of applying Mixture of US & UK Standards.. Best Regards Hossam
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#14 Posted : 17 November 2008 07:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Richards Manual handling of bottles in/out of the lifting gear ? If acetylene, then it has to be transported in a verticle position or taken out, stood vertically for a [long] period of time before use. A lot of the things the "heavy fabrication industry" does do not stand close examination.
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#15 Posted : 17 November 2008 14:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By GT Hossam, Perhaps I misread your original statement, I was under the impression you wanted to lift cylinders in the same basket/cage as personnel .........use as a "man basket". The equipment you chose to call a "man basket" is named such because it implies it is going to be used for that purpose and site safety standards are developed primarily for the protection of those inside a "man basket". If you wish to use this cage, basket, container equipment for some other purpose (providing it is correctly assessed to do so) then by all means do, but then it should not contain people and doesn't fall under the same criteria application as a "man basket". Only my guidance ...no laws, rules, regulations .......just safety in practice internationally. GT
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#16 Posted : 17 November 2008 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hossam GT YES..I got your point..thanks alot
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